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Juniors and the Ambulance
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Permalink Reply by Angela Wyatt on
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These are good guidelines, does your department have a program specifically geared to the juniors/explorers who do ride ambulance?
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Permalink Reply by David Hubble on
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Or at least get it so I can ride while I am in class for my Basic. But yeah for the Juniors/ Explorers out there reading this. I have been with RFD for a year now, and I agree with Angela, There are somethings that explorers should not be seeing.
Our Chief is (pretty much) 100% against explorers being on board, and believe me it is frustrating. I know I have to skills to adequately help the medics on board, but cant. At the same time I understand the chiefs perspective and respect the fact he is only trying to protect the youth.
When I get around to it I will be starting another thread similar to this... Keep an eye out!
Stay safe everyone!
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Permalink Reply by Steve Davis on
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You also have to take a look at what HIPPA laws say regarding this issue. As an EMT, EMT-P, you are the patient care provider. Having an "observer" could put the medic and department at risk of violating the patients privacy, resulting in fines. If you can't do it at a hospital, it probably shouldn't be allowed in the back of an ambulance.
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Permalink Reply by Jacob Johnson on
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No i dont think they should be allowed to be in the ambulance, unless theyre the only one else there, which i highly doubt. This is because if you see something that's really disturbing, you may go crazy in your head.
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Permalink Reply by ashfire on
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I can tell of a story about where we had a junior riding third on the ambulance that put a scare into him.
It was the July 4th in the mid 70s. We had just left the park in our area for fireworks and got a call for a motorcycle accident. Got on the scene and we had two DOAs. We had to transport both to the county hospital about a hour away from the scene. We place one on the cot and one in a scoop board on the bench in the back of our Type 2 ambulance which was a station built unit.
We were turning on to a interstate entrance and the body on the bench flipped onto the body on the cot and the junior was sitting on the attendant seat started screaming. My officer was trying to go out his door while I was trying to get over and stop the ambulance.
We all stood with the back doors open trying to figure out what we had to do to get the situation back to normal before we got to the hospital.
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Permalink Reply by capcityff on
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If you're an explorer you're not DOING anything. You're a kid. If you're observing then how is it hard to observe both? That's like saying a person has to choose whether they listen music or watch movies. They can't do both things.
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Permalink Reply by rfd2us on
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Absolutely NOT!!!!!!!!! Why would you want to put your agency and/or yourself at risk for exposing a minor to a potentially hazardous situation? In an ambulance there are just to many risk to consider it. Body fluids, air bourne illness, etc..... Would you want your minor child exposed to anything unnecessarily? There is also a lot of potential of physcological damage.
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Permalink Reply by Cody Patrick on
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just based off state laws it depends. MD for example states anyone under 16, cannot provide EMS care of be place in an IDLH atmosphere even in training. We have Cadets who are 14 and 15 who train like us but dont ride, they dont even bring refreshments to scenes. With us as soon as you are 16, we put you through company level "Pre-Basic" For either fire or EMS or both. We have 16 y/o fire probies and EMS aides. Having said that we also have guys, like myself, who have been EMTs since 16 and fighting fire since then too. from my experiences, the calls that have given me or any other younger persons issues have also given older members issues. with the advent of CISM/CISD its easier to deal with bad calls now. everyone ultimatley knows what effects them and will one day have calls that even when you are 50 will effect, calls with dead kids will always effect everyone.
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Permalink Reply by 1092l017pr9w9 on
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I have been a member of my fire company for 9 years 2 of them as a jr member. And I also was a member of are local first aid squad for 2 years i joined them when i was 17. So I think its not only up to state laws and company or squad sop or sog. But I also feel that the parents of the jr member should have a say and that the Sr. member riding with that Jr. better be to not only teach them but knew when to tell them not to go on a call that they may not be ably to handle the call .
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Permalink Reply by DAVID GONZALEZ on
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In most post and bsa has bylaws that your department should go by, idk how your ride along works but ours is in order to ride u must be trained in cpr first responder, and be on your third year as a explorer.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on
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A real firefighter is seen above at a grammar school, providing a basic awareness for children...
Juniors and the Ambulance... The title itself and someone so young taking space on FFN is ridiculous and one of the reasons I have pretty much discontinued posting things here on FFN. The last time I looked at the footer for this site, a disclaimer was included that said something along the lines that the FFN site was intended for actual firefighters and EMS professionals, not children.
Ryan, you have absolutely nothing to offer me personally, nor anyone else on the site. You should read things and learn from seasoned veterans and even that is a stretch because many times the subject matter is intended for adult readers, not children. The fact that you don't take the time to spell check your post pretty much exemplifies your lack of education and ability to grasp many concepts necessary to understand the job. Again, a waste of time for any of the folks out there that this site was originally intended for.
If you are under 18 years of age, then you are an absolute liability for emergency personnel involved with an accident or fire scene. Couple this with HIPPA and other privacy issues, you are nothing more than extra baggage and a nightmare for the fire officer running the scene.
Your focus should be on grammar school level education and experiences... From the looks of your photograph and the fact that you have the audacity to show yourself wearing a uniform and a badge, carrying an axe and setting your FFN page to private, I personally am embarrassed that this kind of post is tolerated.
You do not have the maturity or experience to be of any value at any kind of emergency scene and in my opinion should refrain from any further posts until you are an appropriate age.
This is a prime example of why the FFN is becoming less relevant for the fire service. The fact that this site is intended for Firefighters (The Social Network & Community JUST for Firefighters) is obviously a joke with your post and silly question.
I suppose that I may seem somewhat hardcore, but the truth of the matter is that you are a time waster and just another ridiculous post along side those asking what color fire helmets or fire trucks we have. You are the reason this site is lacking any substance or validity. What on earth is the webmaster thinking?
You are not part of the fire service and have no business playing firefighter, that is unless the intent now of the FFN is to provide childcare services instead of catering the needs of actual firefighters.
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Kind of interesting that no one has posted here since my rebuttal and stating the obvious... .
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