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ohio volunteer duties with out 36 hour class
hey whats up im a ohio volunteer fire fighter and im going through my 36 but yet my chief wont let me go to any calls. or anything i cant hold a pager or nothing does any one know if the department can do that or not please respond
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Permalink Reply by Engineco913 on
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Yes they can do it. I think your complete disregard for the chain of command and the traditions of the fire service while using the department you are badmouthing's name as your screen name shows the charector in you. If I were your chief and I got to view this, not only would you not have to complain about not bring able to do anything until after your 36 hour class, you would be writing to complain that you were removed from the department. You have a LOT to learn sub-probie.
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Permalink Reply by Joe Stoltz on
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Hello, and welcome to FFN!
In our department, the rule is 15 hours of training prior to being able to participate in firefighting activities. This is to make sure the FF is adequately trained in hazard recognition, proper use of PPE, response and scene safety, and a basic understanding of firefighting equipment.
We do this to comply with OSHA training requirements for new members. All members have to have at least 8 hours of refresher training in these subjects, also mandated by OSHA.
So your department may have a bit more stringent training policy. It can do this if it's part of your SOPs or by-laws.
The training is to protect you, and make you aware of all of the things that can KILL YOU going to, operating at, or returning from a fire scene. Try not to take it personally.
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Permalink Reply by united 289..{Dave} on
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Hey rookie. This is a chief point of view.
Turn your stuff in. Attuide like this gets people injuried. This is disrespectful to your command and your department regulations. If can't follow or except these then you have know buisness in the fire service.
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Permalink Reply by Jason Brooks on
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The answer is yes and no. In Ohio you actually have one year to get your training. In that time you may participate in some training and you may be issued gear. You might even be able to respond on calls. However, this is still ultimately up to the department and the Chief. If this is the departent's policy, you are SOL. Also, even if they let you participate in training, you may not wear SCBA or be near live fire, period. The rules in Ohio are very clear on this. YOu may not even enter a live fire until you have at least your 36 hour class. Get your training and learn what you can. 36 hour class is enough to get you hurt, so take it further and get as much training as possible.
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Permalink Reply by Jenny Holderby on
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Yes they can do that if it is in the department regulations. When you FINISH your 36 & get your card then you will likely be able to respond. If you don't want to play by the rules, find another game.
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Permalink Reply by Terry Ingram, Sr. on
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YES YOU JUST CAN'T EXPECT TO JUST GO GO WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF HOURS OF TRAINING. BESIDES THIS, THERE IS THE LEGAL ASPECTS TO CONSIDER, THE CHIEF USUALLY SETS THESE GUIDELINES IN ACCORDANCE WITH NFPA OR OSHA STANDARDS. THINK ABOUT IT MAN, IF YOU JUST WENT OUT THE DOOR ON RUNS WITH NO TRAINING TO SHOW FOR IT AND SOMETHING HAPPENED, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO ANWSER TO IT, NOT COUNTING THE LAWYERS WHO'D BE IN LINE TO FILE THE LAWSUITS. SO YOU NEED TO DECIDE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.
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Many departments do not allow their members who are not certified firefighters respond. One thing the officers are looking @ when they make those decissions is that most vehicles will only carry 2 personnel besides the driver. So people who don't fight fire take could take up space and not be effective. TOO MANY personal vehicles cause a space issue. There is the liability factor of having someone on scene who is not trained.
My department does issue pagers to new members if they are available. We do allow new members to go to calls. We call them scene support. Non certified people are gophers, They handle crowd or traffic control, help with rehab, assist the water officer or with air management and help get the equipment back on the trucks and clean up the scene. (We pick up our trash, bottles & cans & paper, used gloves etc).
Back @ the station they help get the equipment back in service. When everyone is tired & want to go home, the faster we get this done, the better we are. New blood is a good thing :) Newbies learn about operations & how things go on scene. They also learn a lot about the equipment & and the trucks by cleaning & replacing equipment on the trucks.
Not all departments work this way. They might not have enough personnel to have someone supervise (babysit) members who don't know the drill and often do not want the added responsibility of having them on scene in an emergency situation.
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While the response from strtcopr may be harsh, I tend to agree with him. Once again I have to tell new guys, SHUT UP and learn. You are not a firefighter just because they put you on the roster. Get your training and try to learn as much as you can in the process. Go to the station if the tones go off, this just shows that you are truly interested and not just in it for the shirt and opportunity to drive a shiny red truck.
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Permalink Reply by BillySFCVFD on
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I 100% agree with your intent just not your choice of words. The delivery of your message is as equally important as how you say it. It's obvious that this thread was started by a young and naive probie not a "typical volunteer". TCSS
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Permalink Reply by Chris Harris on
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But mommy I want to ride the truck...
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Sorry Billy, I read that differently than you did I guess. I knew what he meant. It wasn't a slam on volunteering but on lack of training. I *think*
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And I will repeat what I said before: The training is to protect you, and make you aware of all of the things that can KILL YOU going to, operating at, or returning from a fire scene.
Note carefully the words in bold. This isn't a game or a hobby; there are real dangers to you out there.
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