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Should Fire Chief's be Allowed to Fight Fires ? !!!!
i dont think they should be. thats what the FireFighters are for.
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Borg on
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Tyler,
Have you read the report from Charleston? A classic case of the chief not doing his job, he was in there fighting fire. Lost nine men.
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Permalink Reply by Todd on
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Talking with some of the brothers from Chucktown I know that Chief wasn't all that impressive as a firefighter and pretty much got his position as a legacy deal.
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Permalink Reply by Adam Petote on
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I think its great to see a white helmet run the nozzle, you can learn a lot by watchin em!
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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Reread it...there are a lot of snafu's not just the chain of command
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Permalink Reply by TabergFireFighter4 on
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In my fire company sometimes you can see the 2nd and 3rd asst chief fighting a fire but never the chief and or asst chief fighting a fire. Mainly its the firefighters and LT, captain that are doing the majority of work at a fire. Like some have said in other post, you can learn from the chiefs.
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Permalink Reply by Eric B on
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A Fire Chief is just as much as a firefighter as any other one on the line , i have been in many situations where i have gone into calls with one of my cheifs on the line , they have the experience and training and have been elected to the postion they are in because of that
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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still i dont think that the chief should be allowed to fight fires..if they do then they should go back down in rank to firefighter...
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That;s why Firefighters don't think.....LOL....Its his sandbox and if we want to play then we have to play by his rules...
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I know, I read the whole report. The Chief not doing his job off the fire scene was the major contributor, as was lack of command and control.
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That is where you are wrong, it is the sand box the union and the chief decide. He has his work, FF have theirs. I do not get this "I like to see the Chief work". He gave that up, he is no longer a "firefighter" He is a fire chief. Two different things. You can't be the boss and the worker. Also chiefs are not gods, they do not get to decide what FF do. NFPA, OSHA, state safety standards, labor rules, union contracts, city council, the constitution and many other things decide what happens at the fire department. It is not the chiefs sandbox, he is the boss, yes. But he is not a worker.
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Permalink Reply by Nicholas Duncan on
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This is pretty much how my department is. The chief, if he is on scene (which happens less than it should), always stays in command, while the grunts and Assistant Chiefs run all interior attack and hose work. Often times, however, our county will send at least one truck from all the neighboring departments to help, giving if the chief wanted, a chance to go in.
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Permalink Reply by Robert (Bob) Roberson on
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I don't believe it's the wisest move. I am doing some private research in relation to fire management here in Australia, after a large wildfire killed 173 people late last year. My finding to date indicate that seems to be a trend by Fire and other emergency services to appoint senior staff for their administration ability more then their operational ability. It seems that many senior staff can TALK THE TALK BUT CARN'T WALK THE WALK. Their seems also to be a trend that Senior Officers attend Training sessions to get the qualification (get the piece of paper) but either never use that qualification or believe that they will never use the qualification so immediately forget what they were taught. My research is in conjunction to an area known as "Left or Right Thinking" and it appears left brain thinkers may be a majority in Senior Emergency Manahement (unable to think outside the square, must follow the book section and verse, and to bussy getting tied up with the WHAT IF'S to actually get on with the job. IC no matter what their rank is need to have a degree of flexability and operational knowledge pass that written in training books. Chief, Commissioners, Managers or what ever they are called seem to have either lost that edge or never had it in the first place.
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