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SCBA on the Roof?
Below are a series of photos courtesy "FirehouseGuy" from theWatchDesk.com from a daytime house fire last week in Maryland.
These photos are circulating around the Web on sites such as Firefighter Close Calls on the aspect of firefighter safety ... with the site noting "No one hurt but good pictures from the scene drawing "THINK" attention to PPE, SCBA and roof operations. While we love roof operations when needed, we are don't love un-needed exposure to the smoke -- today's smoke is some nasty crap.....we need to THINK. 1000 active Firefighters die each year to cancer."
What are your thoughts and your department's SOPs for firefighters operating on the roof of structure firefighters?
These photos are circulating around the Web on sites such as Firefighter Close Calls on the aspect of firefighter safety ... with the site noting "No one hurt but good pictures from the scene drawing "THINK" attention to PPE, SCBA and roof operations. While we love roof operations when needed, we are don't love un-needed exposure to the smoke -- today's smoke is some nasty crap.....we need to THINK. 1000 active Firefighters die each year to cancer."
What are your thoughts and your department's SOPs for firefighters operating on the roof of structure firefighters?
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Permalink Reply by JL Ellis on
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Looks like they are taking knives to gun fights. This is all so wrong on so many levels.
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Permalink Reply by Dave, NB 9 on
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Anyone on my fire scene MUST have SCBA on and interrior qualified. My saying is " If your on, you might be in" If you look behind this guy, there is a hole near the gutter line. So what does that tell you about the under construction
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Permalink Reply by Chief 29 on
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I am seeing quite a few replies asking were is IC or blaming IC. Yes They are partly at fault but remember they can only put rules in place they cannot be there 100% of the time and if they are they won't see it all. Especially on the volunteer side. When are we as firefighters going to take some blame for our own actions?
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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Another department with a chief who shouldn't be!
If this is the best that you can expect when you go to the scene, then replace your leaders with people who will LEAD.
You HAVE to protect your people, whether they want you to or not.
Don't let it be an option.
Everyone goes home with good health.
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Jim Madison on
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After looking at these pictures I ask more than just where is his SCBA but should he have been up there to begin with? From the pictures I see here it looks like the structural stability should be in question. I would be rather hesitant to send a man up there were I in the position of command.
From what it looks like his saw is stuck in the roof, and he is standing on what looks like a couple of the few pieces of plywood that are unaffected by the fire. Knowing the plywood is going up like that and the saw is stuck what is the damage to the roof truss?
The walls also seem mostly gone on what looks to be a garage converted into a living space. Not a good place to be in my opinion.
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Permalink Reply by flash_fire007 on
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I agree; The fire has already vented and it appears the structure is a total loss, so why is he on the roof in the first place, Where is his Officer, Safety Officer or even the I.C. that let him up there??? I work in a small paid department and at maximum we have 9 guys for any structure fires, that includes Drivers pumping trucks, I.C., and 2 EMS guys standing by... And even we don't do this kind of stuff...And if you really think about it?? Ever since the invention of PPV we very seldom ever access a roof. That was back in the day prior to PPV, I've been serving for 22 years and have been to fires without my SCBA but never directly in an Offensive Attack, Only in times of a Defensive Attack. It's hard to say whether this guy or his Officer should be punished, but something definately should be said or questions asked why??? Which also brings up the question I've heard for years SCBA on Car Fires and Dumpster Fires??? My answer is my opinion only, But I say it's a case by case decision...
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Permalink Reply by Engineco913 on
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Pointing out the lack of SCBA is important. How about the lack of a roof ladder? Partner with the firefighter on the roof? Fire load underneath? Angle of the ground ladder?
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Permalink Reply by Matt Gray on
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I agree, the IC is not to take all of the blame. Especially in this situation. I also saw a comment saying that "were firefighters, and we do what we nee to do when it comes down to it". I agree with that 100%. But in this situation, that is not what NEEDED to be done. It didnt say that there were any fatalities, or reports of people in the building. That would be the only situation anyone would need to put themselves in any situation that this guy put himself in by getting on the roof. We need to think thoroughly about what we are doing, and what good is it going to do before we put ourselves in situations like this!
M
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Good Points. Plain and simple
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I disagree with a lot of your thoughts here. If there was a confirmed entrapment inside, this firefighter SHOULD NOT be on the roof still. SCBA EVERYTIME!!! The damage caused by the fire has already been done and this firefighter is now a liability. You don't put a firefighter in a scenerio where they choose a job over their personal safety.
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Permalink Reply by John on
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Too much to point out from just a few snapshot's, but what happen to "teams of two three to please" ?
1)no spotter on ladder nor a roof ladder to boot
2) no charged hose
3) no scba
4) no RIT standing by if he did fall in
5) "Where's Waldo" IC
heck he's on roof before the other's even has Scba's on and hose in hand.
someone's head needs to be on a plater.
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Permalink Reply by Bob Allard on
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How not to fight a fire, on roof operations, like to see what they do inside, maybe they don't have enought air-packs
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