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When Did It Become Okay To Say 'No'?
"What is at issue is the running debate within the Fire Service about vacant buildings and interior operations. There are many that believe that there is no need to search a vacant building, in fact they believe we should not even go inside these structures."
http://backstepfirefighter.com/2010/09/24/when-did-it-become-okay-to-say-no/
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Comment by Dave LeBlanc on September 26, 2010 at 9:27pm
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Paul, like Lutan says though, assuming it can be searched it should be searched. LIfe Safety is Priority 1....ours and theirs.
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Comment by Paul Montpetit on September 26, 2010 at 9:13pm
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Its OK to say no.....like in NO, I don't want to get someone hurt or killed....Wake up.....we have to stop killing ourselves.....look at the stats and the numbers killed for nothing.....it makes one sick....
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lutan there you go.....now I have to go and agree with you once again.....LOL...Some people just never recognize that they don't have a structure fire....they have a new parking lot...they just don't know it yet...I believe in Risk a lot to save a lot...risk little to save little and risk nothing to save nothing...why get people killed for nothing.....????
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Hey bro...follow the link and share your thoughts there...
http://backstepfirefighter.com/2010/09/24/when-did-it-become-okay-t...
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But the debate being put forth is when to search, and when to write it off. "It is a vacant building, no one is in there"....not always the case.
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Comment by lutan1 on September 26, 2010 at 7:51am
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I don't beleive for one minute the debate is about not searching a vacant.
The debate is about when to go to an exterior operation. I and others believe that once the search confirms no persons trapped, then why be in there? Get out. Protect life. Protect your life. It's a vacant property....
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How do you know it is "vacant"...? I agree we should not put our people in unnecessary risk situations but we do need to insure that it is indeef "vacant" if it is....let it go (unless it is something minor and easily extinguished) use it or training in the process...maybe you have a "new" pump operator...maybe you haven't used the master flow device in sometime.....practice setting up mult lines...maybe a 2 1/2 then have your probies clamp it ..insert a gated wye and run 2 1 3/4's off from it......let a Jr Officer run the show(while keeping track yourself).....
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