In doing some research for an article I'm looking for any anecdotes of a situation where a Firefighter has been seriously injured while wearing standard full "Turn Out Gear" including or not including Self Contained Breathing Apparatus (SCBA).

I'm specifically interested in situations where the Firefighter has sustained an obvious complex long bone/spinal/C-Spine injury or where he/she has sustained a serious mechanism of injury that would indicate the likelihood of such an injury. A fall from a roof or through a floor etc. something where there was a definite force injury potential with acceleration / deacceleration issues of where it was easily seen that there were severely angulated fractures and the like.

I'm looking for cases where the Turn Out Gear was STILL in place and needed to be removed in an emergent fashion for EMS to treat this Firefighter on scene or if that was not possible how did you deal with the injures discussed above with the Turn Out Gear in place? I am most interested in cases where the Turn Out Gear was removed on scene and if so HOW it was removed given the scenario so as not to exacerbate the known or possible injuries.

Also, if you have ever discussed or trained for this in some way I'd be interested in that information as well.

If anyone has such a story I'd like to know as much information about how you dealt with this situation and the outcome in as much detail as possible.

Please feel free to E-Mail me off list at if you can assist me.


Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET
Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

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You know this is a great, although something we really don't want to think about, idea for training. I suspect, if the FF is concious, and knowing how we feel about our gear, there will probably be some consternation about cutting gear. I suspect that some pain may be endured to "save our gear". I will bring this up to our training division. In 21 years, I don't think I have ever trained on this.
Thanks Paul and I agree not something we want to think about but something we need to think about.

I'm also concerned that the newer gear we are seeing that is CBRNE complaint may not be that easy to take out with even good trauma shears. I have found more information on how to remove football PPE than Firefighter PPE even in my specific research.

Any thoughts or comments are most welcomed.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET
Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant
I have sent an email to our training division. I will keep in touch on anything we find out.


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