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What Invention Killed Society Today???
It is my belief that Television was the beginning of the end of society today. Before TV families had to sit around and get to know each other. People had there priorities inline bills, family, chores....
What do you think the downfall of society today is?
What do you think the downfall of society today is?
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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on
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the industrial revolution
agricultural inovations
steam engine
the telegraph
combustion engine
the automobile
the telephone
television
the electric typewriter
color tv
computers
cell phones
internet
at which point did technology begin to degrade the american life?
It's poor carpenter that blames his hammer.
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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You mean the simplier times like the life and depictions of the American family say circa 1950?
I think what you see Ben showing here is despite whatever one may think as simplier or before modern technologies, there were numerous problems faced by people. Even the simple life circa 1950 is not without problems.
There really is no one invention, or even technology that so called killed society. Values are still instilled by the family and even during simple times there were those who rebelled against such values. Much of the same stuff could be said for people living during any time. The Dark Ages with people not following the society norm of the day and making progress in arts and science. You could look at the music industry, if it wasn't for such rebels like Buddy Holly, would we still be listening to Big Band? The same thing happens today, people change, some people embrace the change some take awhile to accept it. People today may look back at this time in the future and wonder where things went wrong. Is it wrong though, or just don't want to change with the times?
However, I think I know what you are asking, as to what seemed to change society of today from when say when you were a kid growing up. Well I was born in the mid 70's, grew up in the 80's and 90's so yeah much of the stuff today we didn't have. I recall payphones on like every corner, I recall being outside all day without parents wondering where we were as long as we were home in time for supper. There was no XBOX, or video games, you still went to an arcade if you wanted to play video games, there was no internet, computers were brand new and cost thousands, etc.
So what is different? Well technology is faster, information is at the click of a button, news spreads like a wildfire, people are commuting more and living further away from jobs, women are predominent in the workplace, not stay at home moms. Kids are involved in so many activities, people are just more on the move.
What killed society? Nothing, society has just changed from the days of the past, the pace has picked up some, but nothing killed society.
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Loyd,
Your post was about the suppposed downfall of society. I disagree that any such downfall has taken place, or that society or world turmoil is any worse now than at any time in the past 200 years or so. There is no better example of society's traits than in some of our past presidents. The morals - or lack therof - of those presidents are germaine any time you want to discuss leadership and morals together. Everything I discussed is well-documented historical fact. It's nice to think that all of our leaders were pure as the driven snow, but they were not. Good leadership traits do not necessarily make one a moral person in everything he or she does. I doubt that anyone would argue that General Eisenhower wasn't a great leader during World War II. He was the architect of the military campaign that toppled one of the most evil empires in the history of the planet. At the same time, Gen. Eisenhower had a well-known affair with his assistant, Kay Summersby. That seems to indicate that morals are not the only indicator for leadership. Yet...the Eisenhower-Summersby affair didn't lead to any societal downfall. When it was over, Eisenhower came home and became the President that negotiated the end of the Korean war. That didn't lead to any downfall, it lead to one of the most prosperous times in our history.
Why are you shouting about a presidential debate? I made no comment about any president more recent than Nixon, so how in the world is that a presidential election debate???? I was merely pointing out a few historical facts about some of our well-known leaders.
If you don't understand about how the rich start wars, then pay others to take their sons' places in those wars, you should watch the Gangs of New York for how that practice was done in the 1860's.
"[as the Irish are drafted as they come ashore]
Irish Immigrant: Where we goin'?
Another Immigrant: I heard Tennessee.
Irish Immigrant: Where's that?
Irish Soldier: Do they feed us now? "
"Irish Singer: [singing] Well, meself and a hundred more, to America sailed o'er, with our fortunes to be made, so we were thinkin' / When we got to Yankee land, they shoved a gun into our hands / Saying "Paddy, you must go and fight for Lincoln."/ There is nothing here but war, where the murderin' cannons roar, and I wish I was back home in dear old Dublin." From the Gangs of New York screenplay by Martin Scorsese.
A variation was done during the Vietnam War...and who profited from that war? So, are you saying that you don't think it's immoral for someone to use their financial status to both profit from a war and to shield their children from having to fight in that war at the same time?
Parental teachings aren't just about how to "be a man". That wouldn't work with 2 of my 3 children, because, well, they're female.
And...when you say "...this is a discussion, not a debate..." it appears that you were trolling only for opinions that agree with yours. Good luck with that when you ask firefighters.
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Nicely done...I think we can add motorized fire apparatus, powered aerial ladders, aramid turnout gear fibers, chemical-reisitant hazmat clothing, SCBA, the Jaws of Life, computer-aided dispatching, pressurized municipal water supplies, and two-way radios that we use every day in the American fire service to that list.
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disingenuous at BEST. An "outlaw" is by definition someone 'outside the law'. the fact that they would open a door and doff their hat is irrelevant. they were OUTLAWS, in other words, they chose NOT to obey the law of the land. And you think THAT is moral? Really?
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Society isn't dead. It's evolved. To presume that morals no longer exist, or that they have somehow been diminished is simply wrong. Society has changed, certainly as a result of technology but equally as a result of advancements in the sciences. We are vastly different from the society of the 1900's, as they were from the 1800's, etc. This isn't bad, it's just 'different'. Unless of course, you wish us to be a 'horse-and-buggy' society. Hmmm, certain muslim factions want exactly that, another caliphate.
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Of course, we'd be living in mud huts and if we needed fire stations at all, we'd be pulling hand-drawn engines that had hand pumps and drafting out of cisterns...or we'd just be an all-volunteer bucket brigade.
Our kids wouldn't have time to be involved in so many activities, because there would be lots more of them due to the "simpler" days of no birth control, even with the much higher infant mortality that was prevalent in those days. I don't want to return to the days of exponentially more children's funerals in order to simplify my life, thanks.
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Those outlaws were not "moral" Loyd, they were just politely immoral.
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antiseptic methods
antibiotics
Xrays
heart transplants
CAT scans
MRI's
longevity
childbirth mortality
the 'golden hour'
geriatrics
pediatrics
chemo
yeah, let's go back to the good old days. Dying at the ripe old age of 50, dying in childbirth, dying from any number of (now) treatable diseases. Like cholera and dysentery.
You want what never was and can never be. Utopia does NOT exist.
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Loyd,
When you say "Child abuse I am perfectly ok with using a belt on a kid that isnt child abuse. Child abuse is standing back and saying now dont do that when they just go farther and farther down the wrong road." I'll tell you that your just plain wrong on that one.
As a 30+ year EMT and Paramedic, I've seen enough children beaten until they bled - over and over again - to know that an adult hitting a child with a weapon damn well is child abuse. A belt is a weapon - it's a whip, applied with mechanical advantage.
If an adult can't get their children to obey without terrorizing them, then there is no teaching them how to be an adult. Whippings just teaches them how to be a second-generation child abuser. If an adult can't think up more effective punishments than physical terrorism, then maybe that adult isn't qualified to have the children in the first place and isn't exactly all that good at teaching them how to "be a man".
More often than not, whipping is a display of anger on the part of the adult. The message you send the child is that it's OK to be violent when you're angry.
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Utopia never did exist.
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