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Should CPAT be made less intense so more women can pass?
There has been a lot of talk going around in the Fire and EMS field about a few women wanting to take legal action against departments because CPAT is to hard for women to pass and some even feel it is a way to keep women out of the fire service. I'm not sure if that is so because there are a lot of men who fail it also! I know women who have passed and they passed with ease! I think its a matter of how bad you really want it! I think it truely sets a fair minimum standard for men and women because it reflects the stamina and strenth needed to perform the job and not if you're male or female! What are your thoughts?
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Nothing to do with CPAT, but RIT studies in Phoenix and Seattle show that it takes anywhere from 10 to 12 firefighters to pull one firefighter out of a MAYDAY situation. If you're counting on one other firefighter to get you out, you may have unrealistic expectations.
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Permalink Reply by FF Nick on
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No, I admitted that I didn't make it on the team my first tryout. You can't get cut if you weren't on the team? lol
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Permalink Reply by Chad Furr on
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All I am going to say is...... Does fire know what sex you are when you fight it?
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Permalink Reply by Teryn on
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NO!!!!!!! I'm 5'3", 115 pounds, and I passed it. Women should work harder or consider a different job. I worked my ass of to be able to pass my CPAT, and if a woman is not willing to do that then why should she be allowed to be a firefighter? Do these women not realize how hard the actual training is? The CPAT should be harder, if anything. Ladies, put on a weight vest, run everywhere in it, climb tons and tons of stairs, lift weights, drink water, watch what you eat, GET IN SHAPE. You're stepping on the toes of a male dominated profession enough just by wanting to be a firefighter, so prove you can do it! I'm tired of all of this feminist BS, you make us look bad!! Quit your b*tching and go to the gym!
*Sigh*
I've not had good experiences with other females who want to be firefighters so far, if you couldn't tell.
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Permalink Reply by Chuck Beecher on
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NO!
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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I knew it was going to be just a matter of time before I was accused of this Kali and somehow I knew it was going to be you! I am one of few male firefighters around my area glad to see women in the fire service! I encourage my daughter, who wants to become a firefighter to by all means go for it! If you read my reply about women in the fire service you will see my stand on it! I went through firefighter school with two females that were given a hard time, and guess who the only friend and trainee was in their corner cheering them on, yes ME! The questions I ask in my discussions are issues that are going around from firehouse to firehouse and in no way reflect that I feel women don't belong in the fire service! I have been targeted sometimes for defending women in the fire service! So before you and anyone else judge me know where I stand on the issue and realize this is a discussion and not an attack!
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Permalink Reply by chele on
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No NO no! There is nothing more insulting than lowering the requirements so that women can pass. And I don't accept giving the public less than they "pay" for. I don't care who the candidate is, if they can not pass the test they can not do the job as well as it should be done.
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Thanks!
But I'm a bit confused. How does making the CPAT a pass/fail a big way of lowering the standard? I mean, assuming the standard is as high as it should be? It's not really something that you should almost pass, is it?
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Something to do with firefighting requiring other attributes than a few minutes of anaerobic capacity, maybe?
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Ah, ok, I see where you are coming from now. But, if you changed the way the CPAT is "graded" how would you use that information? I mean, so one person breezes through; would they be the only candidates considered for hiring? Or would you still consider the "C" candidate? And wouldn't either consideration still put you back to judging them for whether they passed or failed?
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Permalink Reply by Fire Chick on
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no....i know alot of women who have passed it.. it aint that bad
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So would the answer be to keep the CPAT pass/fail, but make the passing harder? Just like with the written test. Do we want only C and above, or only B and above, or just the A's? While it may seem like the simple answer would be the A's only, what about the really really great firemen that would test at maybe a C but are the ones you WANT to be at a fire with? My husband comes to mind. No way could he pass the written but his skills and knowledge are so much more than a test can evaluate. Some people possess a gift of common sense that makes them so much more valuable than the book smart type.
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