I've been noticing on here lately that most of the younger probies/juniors (before ff1) have a sense of entilement. I'm not FF1 yet and enxt week I finish EMT school. Theres alot of expectations, like getting illegal blue lights, being pissed that trucks pull out when they pull in, getting kicked out of their truck seats for SCBA certified people. Or breaking company school night rules to get into trucks. They're the first one to run in and grab their gear but the last to volunteer to clean trucks. Leaving trucks halfway washed to run to McDonalds for Shamrock Shakes. I'll show up when trucks come back to help clean lines and tools, when kids show up I grab my gear so they can see what firefighters wear. I dont hop in a truck till the door opens so I dont waste time to leave my seat. Just like the thousands of juniors threads whining and bitching that they can't get pagers, gear, etc... You need to earn these rights, before FF1 on a fire scene theres not much that can be done and een I know I sometimes get in the way bc I dont always know what to do... Does this stuff bother anyone else as much as it annoys me?

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I heard that! What happened to the days of young people respecting anyone? I was taught that if you want it earn it. I have a hard enough time trying to teach that to my son. What is the world coming to?
Like others have said, it's a problem due to the way the country is being run and how kids are raised these days. Fortunately at my company, the group of probies who are completing the basic training (basic skills, vehicle rescue, structural fire, hazmat) this spring (including myself) are a pretty good bunch of guys overall. Two of the younger guys were raised not to be afraid of work, so they help out around the station a bit and help wash the trucks.

I'm laid off, so I spend the most time at the station and responding to runs, so I end up doing the most work washing the trucks but I don't mind. If I see the pickups or ambulances dirty, I'll pull them out and wash them by myself, and I'll wait for a driver to pull out the big red trucks. I don't mind hopping off the trucks for a qualified guy to take my seat, because he can do more work at the scene that I can. As long as the job gets done, that's what is important! There will always be another run.

One problem I've seen is that people don't have a sense of pride anymore. If they had pride in their company, they would want to make sure that nobody saw a filthy fire truck driving around, or an oily engine bay floor or cigarette butts on the ground around the benches behind the station. Sure, your firehouse might be 60 years old, so it won't be shiny or have that new car smell like the new stations, but it's still YOUR house, and YOUR engine. I hear about the "old days" not so long ago that there would be 20 guys hanging out at my station even up to midnight. Telling jokes and bsing outside the radio room door in the engine bay. So many people that only the guy next to the door would be garunteed a seat on the truck, because he would be the one to answer the red phone and know the address. But they'd only be sitting around if the engine bay and trucks were spick and span. Nowadays, we've got dirty hoses on the trucks, oily bay floors, and we're lucky to have one engine get out at night, and we have two paid guys! I respond most of the time because I know if I'm not there, the truck might not get out. Thankfully, we have new line officers that are trying to turn things around, the bay floors are staying clean, the trucks are clean, even the compartments are getting powerwashed and polished. But there is still a problem getting people to give up a little of their time to help out.
I'm 25 by the way... went to college out of state and then joined up in my hometown...
It sounds to me that a lack of good training and coaching for the probies/juniors exists. From day one there needs to be curriculum that dictates the progress of these people. In addition, an enthusiastic and aggressive training program can help quell some of these problems. We have a great junior/probie program and it's because of who is running it. He treats them like they are important and thery are required to follow their rules. If they don't walk the line, they hear about and eventually could be suspended. As they come up, thet have a great attitude and end up being productive members. You always have a few "slugs" but they tend to be a product of their environement and the culture created in the organization.
i wasnt meaning everyone, just annoyed at a few guys I know and a few on here... Like lights/sirens on bikes, illegal radios, expecting trucks to wait for them, etc... Devon, good job on what you do and I wish you luck! Most the juniors on here are complete wackers that are all talk and bullshit

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