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Politics and our Unions
If you are a professional FF and are part of a union you may find an article titled "A Tangled Web Indeed!" interesting.
you can find it here; http://www.firefightersforfreedom.blogspot.com
Anyone up for such a discussion?
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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That works both ways, Gregory.
If you espouse that kind of thinking, you're also granting carte blanche for those who you percieve as the enemy to do the same to you.
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Union busting? I didn't see the Governor calling for union decertification or anything like it.
Trying to change the balance of power between the politicians and the union - sure, he was trying to do that. Union busting - from everything I heard on the news while the protests were going on, the "union-busting" accusation was touted a lot, but with precious little evidence to support the claim.
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Borg on
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Yes you are correct.
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Ben I would consider taking away a persons ability to collectively bargain as union busting.
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She (Margaret) forgot it was the money that the rich made form the labor of the working class. They just wanted some of it back.
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Whatever you claim is "illegal" must, by definition, break some law.
If you can't show the specific law that was broken and specifically how each of the wars you mention broke that specific law, then your claim of "illegal" is unsupportable by anything real.
You are also confusing having specific government services with supporting socialism. The two things are not - and never have been - the same.
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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I'm pretty surpised to hear you bring up "divide and conquer" in regard to Republican politicians, since the Democrats' go-to tactic is class warfare.
There is so much more to the divide and conquer than just political lines.
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Union busting? I didn't see the Governor calling for union decertification or anything like it.
Trying to change the balance of power between the politicians and the union - sure, he was trying to do that. Union busting - from everything I heard on the news while the protests were going on, the "union-busting" accusation was touted a lot, but with precious little evidence to support the claim.
First and foremost Ben, how much experience do you even have in regards to unions? You work in a right to work state and are in a mgmt role, by your profile, appears that you haven't been in a place that was union. You make no bones you are a conservative with republican views, so I must ask, really, what kind of union knowledge do you have??
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How about a more accurate definition between closed and open. Let's call it like it is "closed is "fair share"....open is "right to work".
With "fair share" nobody is required to be a union member. You can sign papers and not be a member of the union. However, you will still pay the union dues because the contract negotiated between the union and management will affect you, so you pay your fair share.
Right to work basically means any member can join a union if they so choose, but not required. However, any negotiated contract or conditions of employment that benefit everyone was worked for by the efforts of a few.
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Permalink Reply by RsqRog on
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quit or quitting is not a word I am familiar with, could you please define it?
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Or in some open shops, there is no union, and no collective bargaining, and no contract. There are a surprising number of these that practice some form of participative management for the non-emergency aspects of the job, and whose salaries and benefits meet or exceed the norms for their regions.
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