I have to say the photos to most people are gross however to people like us in the fire service it is considered a training pic or shown as a what you might see while in service. I do not however feel that leaking the photos to the media or internet is not right for the family i do feel it needed to stay in the dept. for there own personal photos for rookies to get an idea just like any dept. does i feel for the family i cant imagine going thru losing a family member in a crash and then seeing the photos on the news or web. and to the family of this girl i just want to say do not judge all departments on what one dumb man does thank you.
I agree with you 100%. We do not allow pictures to be took at a scene until the victims have been removed. I have saw some pictures on here and JEMS Connect in the past that I thought shouldn't have been posted, but hey that's just my thought's..
Yeah i totally agree.. i dont think that picture taking should be allowed in fatal accidents.. My friend was just killed 2 days ago in a car accident and i would not want to see pictures nor for her family to. Where did this happen? Im from Lower Burrell, Pennsylvania.
This is currently a HOT TOPIC for some Fire Chief's. Why? Some are in deep with lawyers and lawsuits. How many of you have a Informational Release / Dissemination - Media Relations SOP or SOG for your department? If you do, does it cover personal cameras and cellphone pictures? Most covered who was allowed to SPEAK to the media.
In the days of the old, you were lucky if a guy had a disposable or polaroid camera in which one took a few days to develop and the other was instant but we had no medium to forward the pictures... thus the Chief's really only had to worry about firefighters running their mouths about calls. Hence - Policy of speaking to the media.
But now with the technology of today, digital cameras, cell phone cameras and the wonderful internet, Fire Chief's who are asleep at the wheel. (Sorry WP) yes, many are sleeping down in that ivory white hallway; are now gonna have to answer to what their dumbass subordinates do, take, and release inappropriate pictures to the world. (sometimes still at the scene of the incident)
Management of information is a hot topic, one that needs to be addressed to all members of your department becasue it is a liability to the organization. We have a policy that anything we do while operating in the capacity of the department is physical property of the department. Meaning, you are dumb enough to shoot a few pics of the deceased, and it shows up in the media, facebook, myspace, FFN wherever, without the written permission of the fire department, the person who shot and released it can be terminated.
We debated banning all personal cameras, cellphones, etc but it was heavily debated with pros and cons, some of the brothers in 9-111 made tcommunications via personal cellphones. So the easiest way to control the situation was to write a policy that no pictures should be taken - NONE, unless you are charged with an official investigation. Therefore, regardless if you snuck a couple of cellphone pics, the policy states the pictures are property of the department if done on department time. No authorization of release - suffer the rath of discipline.
Yeah a few years back it was becoming a topic about everyone taking pictures with their cell phones to give the trauma team an accurate MOI (pic=1000 words thing)...but in are area at least, it faded away. The trauma team receives your verbal report while 1 ED doc, 1 trauma surgeon, 2 ED nurses and 1 ED tech assess, treat, and facilitate further care of the patient. With the physician level, head to toe exam, plus the stat xray, CT, guaic (sp?), etc., they really don't need a picture. The injuries are what they are despite MOI, and they will find all injuries. Plus I don't know about some, but when I have a (or multiple) bad patients, I'm not really worried about snapping pics on my phone, I've got my hands full with other things.
I agree with Ralph, it's a crock. It's wackers being stupid and inconsiderate, showing what gore they got to see and then share with others.
there is no training value in seeing dead / mangled bodies
what you see is just that... what YOU see. to take photos and share these private moments with anyone is inappropriate at best.
there is a reason why only a select few are allowed to even be at the MVA... there is an assumption that we all have the appropriate maturity level, sans any chest pumping or glory seeking, leave that for the scanner maggots and wanna be's...
finally, it is our job to protect the privacy of the victim(s) of an accident or fire. period. to disregard this sacred trust is inexcusable in my opinion.
I am past the point of even pretending to be nice regarding this subject. 30 years of seeing things has lead me to believe that it's just the same thing over and over again. You don't need photos to remind you of the horrors that we have to experience. Again, no training value. The only photos that should be taken at an accident scene is by law enforcement personnel only.
one more thing on the subject... I was working at a fire station and a guy who basically listened to the scanner, self-responding and claiming to be part of the "press" took lots of photos and until that one day he stopped by the station to share his collection of gore, I came across my godson who was killed in a head-on MVA involving a drunk driver / pedofile that was not injured... no justice sometimes... anyway, to see those photos even now years later conjures up some terrible images and memories for me now. and for what? for the personal satisfaction of someone who thought it was cool to take and share gross photos... not on my watch. our goal as professional firefighters is to both treat people with respect and to protect them when they cannot protect themselves...