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I was wondering, I have been receiving alot of heat lateley about going on runs while im at work, Is it true that they half to dismiss you if you get called out and that they cant do anything about it?......I have numerous amounts of people tell me that my company cant do a thing about me responding while im at work is this true?
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Permalink Reply by Stines on
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Well, I think it's according to the policy they have on it. Where I work you can go on calls but you just have to make sure you clock out.
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Permalink Reply by Aric Stewart on
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well guy if it is a right to hire state they can fire ya, now if you have an agreement with your boss then i would take it up with him. other than that look at the state laws and see what they say
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Permalink Reply by Engineco913 on
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If you are leaving work, they can dismiss you. The new laws only protect you if you are late to work from a fire call, or a call out due to a fire call. If you abuse the system, they can still terminate you. Use common sense when leaving work, is that trash can fire truely worth you losing your job?
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Permalink Reply by Allen Wahlstrom on
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Your first responsibility is to provide for your family...if your job doesnt allow you to leave work, that is their decision to make.
there was a rather longthread regarding htis issue a few days ago...go take a look.
http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/topic/show?id=889755%3ATopic...
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Permalink Reply by ee779 on
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state laws may vary but federal laws only go as far as saying that you cannot be penalized for arriving to work late or missing a day. provided you were called out before the time your shift starts, and it is documented by a chief officer on a company letterhead. In most cases, leaving work for a call is a no-no! Although some employers do allow it as long as you clock out. Even less let employees leave for a call on the clock. If you are getting in trouble for leaving for a call, my advice is don't do it! If it is too hard to not respond while at work turn your pager off when you clock in or leave it in your car when you get to work!
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Permalink Reply by Lawrence W on
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Providing for yourself and your family should be your primary responsibility. Talk to your supervisor and see what is acceptable for your unique situation. The company may already have a policy on this issue, or you may be able to work something out between you and your supervisor.
I have to agree with the above, if you are already at work, stay there. No reason to give your employer a reason to think that your work will regularly suffer because of your personal involvements. This makes you look like less of an asset and an easy target come layoff, budgetary firing, or disciplinary action time.
Cover your back. Make sure you are taken care of before you make your own life harder than it has to be.
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Permalink Reply by Darrin Haskell on
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The fellow on my dept has a signed paper saying he can leave when paged out to a call and his company will even keep him on the clock when he leaves.I would suggest you talk to your supervisor or someone in charge and see if they have some sort of agreement in place.If not look at implementing one or get your chief to draft up a paper with some reference to have to leave work in emergency sitautions if needed.I have one drafted up for my guys if you want hit me up and i can email it over to you.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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NO....Not that I know of.....some companies will let you go with pay and some will let you go, BUT NOT on the payroll....check with your State laws/statues as this may be different around the country....Check BEFORE you start trouble at work though...you don't need to be an unemployed firefighter.....Stay safe..............Paul
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Permalink Reply by Kristy Oxholm on
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I think there is a great deal of misunderstanding of the "new federal laws". Unless there is something that I am missing there are no new federal laws covering this. The US House of Representatives passed HR 1684 (Department of Homeland Security Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008) and it has been sent to a Senate committee. Is has not been passed by the Senate or signed by the President. Both of these things have to happen before it is enacted.
If and when this does happen, the protections afforded volunteer fire and EMS personnel only apply to federal disasters. It is somewhat confusing, since the bill talks about "emergency". For purposes of this bill, the definition of emergency is:
“Emergency” means any occasion or instance for which, in the determination of the President, Federal assistance is needed to supplement State and local efforts and capabilities to save lives and to protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States.
You need to look to local and state laws (if there are any) that cover this situation.
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Permalink Reply by Don Zimmerman on
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Check the laws of the state you are in. Some states allow for it and others do not. I would curb my going all the time and do what did for years as a volunteer.
I sat down with my bosses and arranged that 2 hours prior to my work start time I would never go to any calls, then while at work I would go to no calls as well. But if for a local, regional, or state disaster I could be let go using vacation hours or if I was at a call prior to the 2 hrs go to work time I could call in, let them know where I was and that I was enable to get to work right away.
In 21 years this only ever happened 3 times at a cost to me of about 16 hrs vacation. And never did I get a argument from my bosses in all that time. I strongly suggest you look at something like this.
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Permalink Reply by jpzxzp47mmhn on
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thats what i was told by my department and i do it so i belive so
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