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Cheating; Give Me An Example.
Yeah, yeah, yeah; maybe this should be in the Off Duty, but I want to reach as many as I can and it would appear that the General Discussions get more views, so here is my question:
What do you consider cheating?
Give me an example of cheating; personal or otherwise.
Give my blog a view: http://www.firefighternation.com/profiles/blogs/your-cheatin-heart
And thank you for your participation.
TCSS.
Art
What do you consider cheating?
Give me an example of cheating; personal or otherwise.
Give my blog a view: http://www.firefighternation.com/profiles/blogs/your-cheatin-heart
And thank you for your participation.
TCSS.
Art
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Station10Capt106 on
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my view on cheating is strictly based upon a self-worth viewpoint. I don't necessarily consider the legal aspect of it. To me cheating is denying myself to reach my full potential. Cheating may have immediate benefits to passing a test, winning a race or beating my sister at Monopoly.
Cheating deprives one of reaching beyond their grasp to achieve a new milestone. It errodes your own self-worth and if noticed by others will also wither away the trust that is inheritenly essential in our team-work orientated work.
One of the poems I read in college summed it up perfectly. In essense it said:
"the lowly man reaches for a hundred and his numbers soon hit, the high man strives for a million and misses but a unit".
So my advice is to avoid cheating that way you can always keep your head held high. You may not reach 1 million, but 999,999 is pretty darn close.
John
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Permalink Reply by FF Nick on
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Cheating - Why the Mississippi Fire Academy had to revamp their whole test system...
Leave it to a couple of the Basic classes last year to take their cell phones down to the pad for skills test then the first one in texts everyone else on the other side what the skill was and how to do it. Let us not forget the same for written tests, the first one out would start texting people still testing the answers. Additionally a few would memorize the test and pass it to future people going up, compromising the integrity of the system. Now due to this "practice" they started doing, the fire academy is no longer allowed to review tests with students. They used to go over the tests after everyone was done and then tell the right answer. So NOW when you take a test the only thing you know is what you made, you don't know if you got a question right or not, so chances of messing up on your final are higher because you don't know what sections you were lacking in.
I agree with Cpt106, Cheating is ultimately cutting yourself short instead of expanding to your full potential. When taking a class you hear I got 72 percent, that's good enough for me. Wrong! Always strive for 100%, if you make the 72 then you earned what you got, but it's always about putting that 100 % in to it. Fitness tests - Dig for that 8 minute mile, don't tell yourself "Oh I got 15 minutes to do this, I ain't worried about it"
One of the worse things about cheating is it DESTROYS trust. Whether it be with your crew, partner, spouse, or even yourself you will never benefit from it.
How are you going to lead your crew if you betray their trust in you?
Integrity, Honestly, Trustworthiness are key elements in leadership, if you don't have traits like these at the bottom of the totem pole, you will never be an effective leader!
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Permalink Reply by james w. hunter on
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how about this for cheating, one person (a chief) took the nims 100, 200, etc copied the test and answers, then had most of the department "take " the courses, now most everyone has completed the required courses, or have they. Could this be why you rarely see the Incident Command System in use at our fire scenes. For my own satisfaction, I sat thru every course, having taken 10 so far.
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Permalink Reply by Capt./Chaplain Mike Petrosky on
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In my outlook - Cheating is doing something that you know in your heart and mind is wrong but you do it anyway to try and get ahead of the situation that you are in. In the long run you are defeating yourself and the very purpose why you are trying learn. If you cheat, you aren't helping yourself in any way. So, you might pass the test or whatever, but, BUT, when it comes down to it and you go to use that skill in real life you may not know what you are really doing and it may really hurt you or someone else! Anyway. Cheating=WRONG ANSWER.
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Permalink Reply by Derek R. on
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Awesome read Mr. Goodrich. I, too, have thought about this numerous times and have not come to a conclusion if cheaters never win.
You wrote in your blog: There is no gene that exists in us that causes us to cheat. Cheating has to be taught and it has to be learned and that is where the effort to stomp it out has to start. The response to it has to be so strong as to discourage it from happening again. It has to be so powerful of a message that it tells others that are tempted to do so not to even THINK about it.
True, there is no gene accociated with this, and, yes, it must be learned. But the effort to stomp it out has to has to begin by having authority figures making the end result of cheating so prominant that it outweighs the social teachings of cheating. Children see it everywhere such as at home, school, sports games and even birthday parties they will see it. All that cheating they see will need to be eliminated to reduce the chances of learning to cheat. With that, it's going to have to fall into the hands of parents and other authority figures to eliminate cheating in their own surroundings. Just like smoking; we all know it's bad, and we all know the effects of it, but it is still seen by children and you get the ol' "monkey see, monkey do" thing. Regardless of what we teach or show people, cheating will be seen everywhere and learned everywhere. Other than introducing the death penalty for cheating, I'm not convinced that there will ever be a solution. Maybe it's all a part of evolution. Maybe the human race is supposed to become a cheating race. Maybe for future survival against beings from another planet, or heck, beings from our own planet.
I dunno!!!
Guess I'm kinda saying the same thing, Mr. Goodrich. I will gladly help out with a solution to cheating if anyone has an idea.
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These are the ones easily picked out in NIMS 300 & 400 class, cause they have not a clue what you're up there trying to teach them
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying
:-D
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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on
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Now see, when I make a comment like that, it gets deleted and I get a "talkin' to".
BTW, John Crabbe copied that line from me....you soooo bad.
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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And if you're lyin', you're dyin'.
Stop stealing Jack's best stuff, Crabbe.
Come on; where's all the cheaters?
I got another blog comin' with more examples.
40,000 honest members who only know other honest people.
Yeah; right.
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Rusty Mancini on
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Art, I'm trying to read between the lines. Where ever this is going, it's probably going to be good! So if you would give a little hint, oh------wait, that might be cheating?
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No reading between the lines.
Straight forward.
Maybe next blog will shed some light.
Maybe not.
It is what it is.
No smoke and mirrors.
No spin.
Art
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