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Drafting
I would like to know how many departments still draft from a lake or pond or river because this is part of are driver training is it a thing of the past ?
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Permalink Reply by Tony P on
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Yes, drafting is easy. All you need to do is learn how, and then practice. Practice. Practice.
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Permalink Reply by united 289..{Dave} on
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I agree with you. To us depend on it. For those that have never seen it done. It is hard. Let them learn the basics. Then teach them advance drafting. You are right. Practice is what it takes learn well.
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Permalink Reply by mike on
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i agree with drafting being easy, and i agree with practicing it often. we had an incident with drafting on our last structure fire and it could of cost several fire fighters their lives. so now we practice drafting often.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on
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Drafting is really more important than many realize... For those living in wildland urban interface areas, you have to think about lack of water pressure occurring sometimes. If there is an earthquake, you will have to know how to get water and of course for rural ops, or wildland issues, this is a key skill that every engineer should have mastered. They say a picture is worth a thousand words... how about a video? We train on this from time to time during our annual wildland refresher training. TCSS, SB Mike
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Permalink Reply by Jeanine on
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Drafiting is alive and well here in Glenoma. We have no hydrants but several small creeks and a lake that we usually can get to. It is part of our core training with our apparatus.
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Mike, you say that every engineer should have mastered drafting. We don't have 'engineers', so how about every person in the crew? That's how we teach it. One of the first five learning modules we do as recruits has everyone learning how to draft. No excuse then in the field. Everyone learns it, everyone practices it.
We do things this way because In the volunteer field here, everyone has to qualify as a Wildfire Firefighter before they move on to structural work. The brigades with mainly structural risk are the ones that can usually manage to provide crews for wildfire Strike Teams. So we keep our skills up.
Is that one of your Type III engines? Having the controls so far below the dials is interesting!
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Permalink Reply by Will2745 on
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on a rural dept and no hydrants, we have to draft, either from dry hydrants or direct from river, creek or lake,,,
if you remember back to hurricane katrina, the firemen in new orleans said they couldnt fight fire because the water system was out of service,,,yet,,i seen videos of firemen wading nearly hip deep in water..if they had not "lost" the ability to draft, i think a lot of property could have been saved,,,just a thought
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Permalink Reply by Sarah Turner on
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I agree with that. When I moved here, I asked if we ever trained on drafting or at least had the equipment to do it. I was told no, we are a completely hydranted area.
Then, a few months later, the water system went down and all the hydrants were useless. It was like God was helping prove my point. However, nothing was learned. Perhaps if a 6 million dollar house would have burnt flat.
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once again, my inexperience and knowledge of how the volunteer fire service works is painfully obvious sometimes... I have the luxury of having a career track that takes you from one job to the next, building on the experience and training. in your world, everyone has to know how to do a lot, including drafting. our firefighter's learn about this in their fire academy prior to hiring but the operation of the vehicles in my area is the responsibility of the fire engineer.
This is one of our type III engines drafting water from a lake...
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Permalink Reply by Chris Harris on
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My district is split in half, the upper end is all hydrants but the lower end is all tanker shuttle and getting your own water..
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Permalink Reply by Oldman on
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We have subdivisions split in half. We have one where the front section is without hydrants, and the back section is on the other side of a creek has hydrants. So we would either draft out of their ponds in the front half or lay a lot of hose to reach the nearest hydrant from the back half.The entire subdivision has the same water supply. I truly amazes me what developers do.
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Permalink Reply by turk182 on
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We still draft a good bit here. we use folda tanks, ponds, lakes, rivers, creeks, and pools.
Where ever we can get water will use it sometimes when the creeks are low we will use a roof ladder with a tarp wrapped around it to dam the creek so we can get water out of it.
We still train on it and everyone who gets into the department must learn how to do it.
Our department uses 6" hard suction and our old tanker used to have 4" hard suctoin on it.
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