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Being Anal with proper terminology and political correctness
Alright folks .. now its time for me to do what I do best and get those creative and thinking juices flowing... Just the other day there was an incident Where two Vehicles Collided .. upon Dispatching this Call I referred to this as a Motor Vehicle Crash With unknown Injury or Entrapment.. Immediately I was scolded by a Security Sgt and a Captain ( Neither of Which are Firemen or have any Emergency Service Training ) saying that Calling it a Crash Made it sound More Severe than it may or may not have been.. ARE YOU F**KIN KIDDING ME! Statements like this are what give people Annurisims and Im sure of it.. This is a Dangerous profession folks .. When Emergency Responders are hindered by such Trivial things as Political Correctness everybody suffers.. I can recall another instance I was on a Ride along ( I do this for training and Familiarity of My Response Area) with a Patrol Lt.. Upon making a right turn The radio rang out with My Partner who was covering at Dispatch asking Our location I responded that We were near the Contsruction site and Yes I could call .. I was told immediately that this was not a Construction Site as I have called them for years.. but instead it was called a Construction Footprint..
There are times when Proper terminology is important and times when it is more important to use Plain English.... I have found that it is more important to use plain English than attempt to make my responders confused with My grasp of the Language.. What are your thoughts?
B King
There are times when Proper terminology is important and times when it is more important to use Plain English.... I have found that it is more important to use plain English than attempt to make my responders confused with My grasp of the Language.. What are your thoughts?
B King
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Permalink Reply by Deborah on
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I understand how you feel with this situation. I recall ICS/NIMS certification courses informing us NOT to use "10" codes yet we still have people using them?? Go figure. I whole-heartedly feel your frustration with the communication skills & MANY different styles that are used out there.
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Permalink Reply by Huw Jones on
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Any person using politically correct terminoligy to that extent is suffering , in politically correct terms. recto-cranium insertion.
or
Has Head up a** syndrom
Bye the bye, all radio transmissions are in clear in our area, makes it a lot easier that way
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Permalink Reply by Engineco913 on
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We get dispatched to MVA's not MVC's. Does it matter? Not really our :advanced brains" can decipher that they are one and the same thing. I agree witht he earlier poster, Some folks had their heads up their rear ends.
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Permalink Reply by turk182 on
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We call our car accidents MVA "MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS".
Another one I have a problem with is the word "firmen or fireman".
we were discussing something about or fireman's association and i had this new girl in our station jump all over me because she said "it should be fire fighter" I told her that i had no control what name of the organization is.
but she still went ballistic over it so what are we to do.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Betz on
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We have changed in the last few years from "accident" to "crash". The reason? Good old semantics. If we call it an accident upon dispatch, then some legal folks could take advantage of that in court. If it is a crash, it leaves fault and legal issues in the open. My opinion is that it is all the same thing, I don't get caught up in all the "correctness" garbage.
By the way, Turk's issue of the whole fireman thing is kind of funny. Here in Michigan, the MSFA (Michigan State Firemen's Association) has been around for over 100 years, hence the name. I don't think there are too many folks here screaming for a change, but I would fight it. I always call people "firefighters" today, it just happens that in the old days they did not. Changing these names for the sake of a few would be a shame.
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Permalink Reply by Arkymedic on
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NIMS is designed to do away with ten codes. If you continue to use them you receive no federal $$. Encouraging people to use ten codes is not something we should be doing. Clear text is the best way to ensure intraoperability. Also just because FDNY does something one way doesn't make it applyable everywhere. At my service we have started switching from 10 codes to plain text. We still have two signals we are keeping though. Sig 82 MVC and Sig 30 DOA.
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Permalink Reply by Katie Moon on
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Years ago, a doc in the ER said "When you drive drunk it's no accident when you crash" We went to MVC a long time ago.
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Permalink Reply by Joe Stoltz on
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Our county began dropping the 10 codes last year. Unfortunately we haven't changed over to all plain English yet but progress is being made. Some habits die hard.
Here is the reason for the switch: About a year ago there was a call right on the county line, our deputies got there and found a DOA. It was actually located in the next county so the proper authorities were notified... or so they thought.
Our deputy was surprised when the next county's haz-mat team pulled up! See, in OUR county a DOA was a 10-56. In the next county 10-56 means "hazardous materials incident". Oooops.
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Last I checked a fireman was the guy who shoveled coal into the box on an old steam train. Firefighters tame the beast
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Well according to websters dictionary:
fireman plural being firemen-1. a man employed by a fire department to fight fires 2. a man who tends fires; a stoker.
so i guess we were both right
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Permalink Reply by Spanner 122 on
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There is a line with PC terms for sure. I have been called a Fire Woman and I then look around for my cape. It sounds like a superhero name... lol... I don't care if someone calls me firefighter, fireman, hosemonkey, mattress back (because let's face it, it happens), etc, I know I still have a better job than most... lol... so call it what you want, it doesn't change the job I do.... but FireWoman just sounds funny! lol And getting freaked out over a word has always baffled me.
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