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Fire in the ‘High End’
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Your company is dispatched to the report of smoke in the more upscale residential section of your response area. This "high end" location is notorious for long driveways, inaccessible by fire apparatus. You pinpoint where the smoke appears to be coming from and find this. The driveway is over 800ft long.
After you call for a full structural assignment what are your plans now?
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Permalink Reply by 55 TRUCK on
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If it is a strait driveway. Then I would lay a 3" supply line. Taking into account the size of the home I would expect there to be a 3 or more car garage. This should provide ample rm for the 1st due Engine and Truck Co.
My second due engine would lay another 3" supply in.
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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Along with 55 Truck.....First due pump drops LDH at the end of driveway and proceeds up. Next due pump go from hydrant to line and can relay pump to first. Every one else is humping in with tools and can bring high rise packs for extra handlines if first pump is locked in. If there is a portable hydrant or manifold, consider another due company to establish that in the yard/drive for additional water supply.
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Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on
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During my 360 I'd be hoping the next door neighbor's driveway might offer decent additional access. If that proves to be close enough we'd consider trying to get 55 Truck's aerial apparatus in that way.
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Norm; The homes in our high end areas are separated by large yards, woods and most times a very large stone,brick or high Iron wall/fence. If you get one with a circle drive then your a bit better off. Most times they have a fairly decent parking area in front of there garages. Not the best set up, then again nothing is ever perfect.
a 360 for us is going inside and looking out the back door or window, then you have the RIT,Truck guys & safety all walking around checking things, taking windows etc. They will alert command to any hazards.
We use 3" supply lines single or duel lay, we also use 5" On this fire I would lay the 3" down the center. You can run over 3" and stradle it.
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Permalink Reply by Stan Pratt on
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First engine call for fl arm including tanker (tender) task force if available water may indicate it's use, lay 5" from road. If hydrant within reach next engine bring 5" from that and either titect connect or relate depending on hydrant pressure. If no near . If no immediate water available water source establish tanker dump ponds as they arrive. Send first truck to scene if possible. Send available personnel and EMS in to scene. Have engine establish tanker fill from nearest available water source.
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Sorry,Cap. I should of put a bit more explanation in there. We run with a crew of 4 on a Truck. Truck co. can run with 3.On a fire the crew may be split, 2 in for search & 2 out to throw ladders, take windows etc. If running with 3 then the engineer stays out and throws the ladders, etc.
In a nut shell, First Truck is search, Second Truck is vent. Course this does get tweaked a bit most of the time. It is up to the officer of the Truck to make those calls.
As you know Cap. Being on a large City department. Most times our next due in Co. is right on top of you. Not much of a wait for the next in. Not to mention the number of firemen we can have on scene.
I hope this cleared up any questions.
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More often than not in the "high end" there will be hydrants within reach. For those of us that serve rural or semi-rural neighborhoods hydrants are a luxury. Stan's mention of a tanker shuttle is a reality in some cases for us. It's a lot of extra work setting up a shuttle at one of these and whoever is supervising water supply really has to be on his toes. Stay ahead of the game: More than enough tankers sure beats not enough. Call for at least two more tankers than you think you'll need to maintain your flow. At least two 3K portable tanks on the side of the road with a dependable engine drafting from those tanks works well if everything is set up just right. Practice, practice, practice.
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