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What is everyones feelings on the direction firefighting gear is going and all the government regulations put on us as firefighters and or equipment. I am only 25 yet i find ourselves pushing the limits of our capabilities. I myself am all about tradition and if i had it my way I would be wearing 3/4s and a long coat. And no don't wear a hood because I feel now a days thats the only way of knowing the crap is hitting the fan before its to late.
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Permalink Reply by backsteprescue on
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We have guys who refuse to wear hoods too...... idiots. You must not have been in many fires, because despite having some of the best gear money can buy, I still get pretty warm when we're in a good fire.
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Permalink Reply by Adam Smith on
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I belive it was greg that mocked my mention about robots repacing firefighters over seas. Well here's to you pick up fire chief mag issue october 2010 and turn to page 38 and read the artical about the intershutz fire show in germany. News flash to all we are being repalced by robots its a reality. The technology is there and its happening......
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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on
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Adam,
I'm sure it wasn't that Greg didn't believe that there was robotic development taking place, only that it wasn't something that any of us would ever have to worry about.
Why do you seem so strident about it?
"News flash to all we are being repalced by robots its a reality."
Please identify the robotic types that will replace us.
Please identify the date at which we will all be replaced.
Please list ALL your sources and links to your assertion that we are all going to be replaced.
(one vague, unlinked reference is insufficient)
Despite whatever technology is available do you really think that a robot can move through a structure as easily as a human? Can a robot jump up on a couch? Can it sweep (quickly) under a coffee table, couch or bed? Will it be able to discriminate the sound of a child whimpering in fear?
I could go on but I hope you see my point (unless you're more concerned with having to be right).
I think there may be much potential from the study of robotics and some great advantages may lie ahead. And so what if it does? The whole point here is (hello) TO SAVE LIVES AND PUT OUT FIRES.
If someday this can be done without the need for humans, then so what? It's about saving lives and property, NOT about whether the job will be there for YOU to do.
I'm really getting the impression that, throughout your posts and replies you appear to be somehow afraid and threatened at the same time: threatened that you may eventually/could be replaced by a (necessarily simple) robot or; afraid that all the *fun* is being taken out of firefighting (you know, no more 3/4 boots/long coat, etc. etc.) In some respect, you're kind of coming across as a bit paranoid.
I'm just saying....
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Not at all paranoid or afraid jack.
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Permalink Reply by Jayne C. Eernisse - Gates on
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This is a double egded sword to me. I have been fighting fires for 17 years now and I tend to mix and match. I want turnouts to be able to withstand a lot of heat however this can be dangerous because you are almost TOO protected and won't be able to feel temperature change which quickly leads to flashover. I do not like the nomex shroud on my helmet because combined with a hood you can't feel temperature change. I only wear a nomex because of that reason alone. I also like the current airpacks on the market but secretly wish that we could have stayed with the waist belt regulators because once you run out of air you can stick the hose in your jacket and egress the building quickly.
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That's a skill jayen that me and a buddy of mine were talkin about a few weeks back about the same age as me 24 we grew up in the "world of oldman fire" and he looked at us like we were on crack and asked why would u use ur coat if u run out of air. We were dumbfounded!
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That you would be dumbfounded is somewhat of an arrogant reaction on your part.
If someone wasn't around and familiar with the old waist belt regulators how could they possibly know about them and how to use them? Moreover, if your department doesn't use or have them then the point is moot. Why bother to tell someone how you could use a particular piece of equipment if that piece is no longer in use? Have you ever used a pompier ladder? Have you jumped off into a net? I'm dumbfounded if you haven't done both.
And really, you "grew up in the "world of oldman fire""? It's comments like that that make it hard to take you seriously. Sorry, I know you may get pissed but come on dude, "world of oldman fire". ROTFLMFAO
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Borg on
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Paranoia runs deep, after rereading all the responses to this subject and Adam's rebuttals, I am convinced he is a robot trying to get us to waste our time talking to a robot. Wait I think I hear a helicopter, yes and it is black. Damn after me again, got to run!
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You kill me, yes great idea, the coat will filter out arsenic and CO. Good idea, wait wasn't that idea disregarded for better SCBA,s and training that taught you to get out BEFORE your low warning alarm went off?
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Permalink Reply by Todd on
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The two times I rode the tailboard it was cold and raining. I don't miss the tailboard. LOL
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Permalink Reply by FETC on
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OK this is going to sound like an ass but I can't believe I am reading this.
The "old school" tradition for an SCBA emergency procedure via putting the elephant hose into your turnout gear filtered very little by-product. The reason it worked back then was the smoke contained alot less bad stuff in the air. Firefighters back then died from primarily CO posioning. Hey at your next fire, when you run out of air and do the same manuever, your dead in a few breaths because today's smoke is a toxic cocktail, acrolein, tolulene, benezene, HcN and CO. Newsflash- your PPE filters absolutely nothing.
Leather lungers back then (yard pukers) were able to hold their breath and make entry before SCBA's were invented because they could tolerate some CO... today those same firefighters WOULD DIE IN OUR FIRES.
Get with the times... the new emergency procedure for running out of air is DON'T LET IT HAPPEN - Another tradition that should be placed into a history case at the firehouse.
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