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What Is A Pipeline or Squad?
I thought I asked this before but here in Delaware we just have plain old boring engines, rescues and ladders. I see apparatus called pipelines and squads. Now Pipelines look like engines but squads are everything from engines to rescues to mini pumpers and even ambulance like box trucks.
So my question is; what is a pipeline and a squad
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Lou,
It can refer to the team as well, as I linked in another post. The "rescue squads" in Tennessee, NC, SC, and a few other states are organizations.
I think Craig's point is well taken. The "pipeline" terminology seems to be a local Philly term, but "squad" and some of the others have all kinds of regional meanings.
Maybe we need to have FEMA and the USFA and FIRESCOPE step in and standardize the terminology like they did for...{Ben shudders}..."Tenders" and "Tankers'.
Umm, considering how messed up that one is, let's just let it go.
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Permalink Reply by Elizabeth Firestone on
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your telling me. in my one of my old departments the squad was our pick up truck that had a plow on it and carried us to trainings or picked up hose at calls. in my new department we have two squads one is a ambulance and one is a pick up that we can use for brush fires cuz it has a pump on it. i've just learned to roll with it instead of trying to figure it out lol
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I did some looking, and found this smaller deluge unit listed for the Chicago FD. The host site for that photo and a 2005 CFD apparatus list is here.
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Permalink Reply by Lou Angeli on
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I remember when the UK made an attempt at standardizing apparatus (appliance) termimology. There were; Pumps. Pump/Escapes, Water/Ladders, Water Tender/Ladders, Tender/Tankers, TL's (turntable ladders) HP's (hydraulic platforms) RT's (rescue tenders) ST (salvage tenders) and others. Can you imagine trying to get 33,000 departments here in the states to agree on that?
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I haven't been able to find a photo of Big Mo, but here is Big Mo's fraternal twin, Big John. It has apparently been retired for quite some time. As a vehicle-mounted deluge, it is pretty awesome, but it's not on the scale of FDNY's Super Pumper System.
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Nice find Ben
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Thanks. It took more work than I thought it would.
I had forgotten that CFD had two of those deluge units. I remember one of them being on the cover of (I think) Fire Engineering magazine in the late 1970's or the early 1980's, but I'm not sure which one it was.
I remembered Big Mo but not Big John until I stumbled across the photo.
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Permalink Reply by Tony P on
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Yes Andrew, I left out the specials. I think Scoresby is the only current Hoselayer? It carries something like 1200 metres of 90mm, 1300 metres 65mm, hose is not hard suction, no pump. As you said, very useful for getting water to the aerials! Not that we use aerials that often...
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Ralph? The idea of calling an 'ambulance' a 'car' is used (unofficially) here as well. The paramedics (at least those like my MICA Paramedic mate) call them that.
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Borg on
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I like that Pipeline term, I had never heard that before. JP Craig, the term squad is very widely used in the fire service but means something different on many departments. In Spokane for example a Squad (was because they were all closed due to budget cuts and the medics moved to engines) was a small truck, like the Emergency Squad, that had a n Lt. and a firefighter, both medics. They did ALS and at fires would suppliment out truck companies. In Detroit a squad is a heavey rescue/manpower supplement. In Chicago a squad is a two piece company, a small snorkle and a box type rescue that covers it's part of the city fore all fires and extrications. In New York a squad is an engine that adds manpoer to fires does Haz-Mat and suppliments the Rescue's if need be. So a squad can be almost any kind of supplimental company that is not an engine or a truck.
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Also, Until 1968 we (Spokane) called our engines, wagons, and our ladders, trucks. We still use the word truck but we call them ladder companies. Wagon come from the time when there was the steamer (pump) and a horse drawn hose wagon to carry the hose, so like our DC brother said; pumper and wagon made a two piece company for many years in some cities. Los Angeles still has what they call a Task Force, a ladder, and engine and a pumper for the ladder or whatever. The second pumper only has a driver (engineer) on board because his purpose is just to pump. They also have a Light Force, that has a ladder and an engine without the second pump.
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Permalink Reply by Just Plain Craig Moyer on
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This is Kennett Squares in PA. We used to run with them alot but I can't remember ever seening this in action
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