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ISO - Incident Safety Officer Hot Seat - What do you see and do on this job?
So you have been assigned to the Safety Officer's Position, what concerns do you have with the following example?
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Permalink Reply by 55 TRUCK on
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If you zoom in you can see there is no fire or any smoke on the first floor. There's a third ff just ahead
of the engine crew looks like he's waling from right to left. I hope he's a truck guy
who's about to open up the cieling so the plugs can put it out.
Safty concern. How the Truck crew goes about pulling that cieling.
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Permalink Reply by Cory on
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Sorry I miss typed a little I was using my phone, I try to go back over and catch things but don't always catch them.
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Permalink Reply by Todd on
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I was going with the current standard construction practice for our area since this looks like a number of fires we have had in that the roof has already burned off by the time we arrive. Concrete slab to start, slap up a 2x4 frame, truck in some pre-fabricated truss assemblies and cover the exterior with Styrofoam sheeting and vinyl siding. They don't have a long burn time.
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Permalink Reply by Jim Zeigler on
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I agree with Todd - there is a 3rd guy in front. Notice the lack of smoke and fire coming out of that window. Means the fire roaring above them and just in front of them. I am not sure, but there appears to be a lick of flame coming out from under the gutter to the left of the doorway. The structural integrity overhead that porch must have already been compromised.
My question is - why are they making entry under a roaring fire at this point? Can there be any viable victims. How much property are they going to save with an aggressive interior attack at this point? I would really like to know how this one turned out.
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Yes there verywell could be saveable vics in the structure. As you pointed out the
fire is above in the attic area or what used to be the attic area. The majority of the
heat & smoke is riseing away from the lower level.
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Permalink Reply by Tyler Lyons on
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From that picture, its hard to get the full pic but.....Risk vs. Benefits. If I am the ISO, they are backing out, check any exterior windows to search rooms from those windows, make doors out of those windows if needed. I would NEVER send my guys under that roof, the fire looks like its in the attic, when is that coming down on top of them?? you don't know, don't kill your firefighters to be the hero.
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Permalink Reply by John S-B on
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It looks to me that they know what's on the ground around them, the planters have been moved from in front of the window. The wall should be pretty stable, it's not supporting much weight any more, and the porch overhang will sag before it collapses. As long as they don't enter the structure I don't see a problem as long as someone is watching the overhang.
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Permalink Reply by Doug on
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Shareef and Jack, I'm with you two. While I would be one of the first to step up for an aggressive interior attack, there's no need for such in this instance. Part of the roof and truss system has already burnt through and collapsed, adding weight to the joists and (probable) drywall above them.
We encountered a similar fire not long ago, myself and another firefighter were making an interior attack, making what we thought was progress and kickin' the fire's ass. When suddenly, and to our surprise, we were given the order to evacuate the structure. What we didn't realize, because the ceiling was still intact, was that the fire had made its way into and up the interior of the wall(s), into the attic space, and began to burn through the entire length of the roof. Good call by command, obviously. Open up the deck guns, ladder pipes, and take a breather.
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Three roof collapses in the past three days, several firefighters hurt, one critical with life threatening injuries. Take heed, those that don't know what to look for need to learn. Even if it is just from one picture.
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Permalink Reply by Jace Woodworth on
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you would think this would be a no brainer, but thats just me though... unless there are reports of the possibility of someone inside, there probably gone anyhow, what the hell... back out, suround and dround...
this is a big reason that there are 100 plus L.O.D.D.'s also..
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Permalink Reply by Glen "Darren" Borror on
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Roof has self vented, and has severely deteriorated. There is debris in entry so I would get that cleared right away in case of retreat. Where is my back up crew in case these guys get into trouble. How satisfactory is the water source been established?? RIT team en route or on scene? Looks like not much fire in the main part of structure so I would question an interior attack at this moment, looks like it has been burning for quite a period of time. Make sure power is disconnected due to possible ceiling failure if entry is made. I would look at structural soundness of ceiling to make sure it wasn't going to fall on my crew. I am really concerned about the non-presence of fire in the structure, what is holding it back. I would hold defensive unless report of trap. Quick 360 to determine extent of fire and fire load(though I am sure it is just because it self vented, but just for safety's sake ...). Other than that it looks like it is going to be a text book fire. Put wet on red, extensive over haul/salvage. Communicate my concerns to OIC and let them get the job done.
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