Here's some great video of what makes firefighters great.
Hingham, Massachusetts firefighters responded to a park Friday to save a dog who fell through ice. The dog was on a leash, according to the report, but pulled away from the woman walking him. One firefighter was transported to an area hospital.
Boston Globe: Dog rescued after falling through ice in Hingham
A firefighter became exhausted and required medical treatment after helping to rescue a dog that fell through the ice in Hingham Harbor this morning, a close call that prompted officials to urge people to keep their dogs leashed when near ice-covered bodies of water.
Permalink Reply by lmaz on February 7, 2009 at 10:31pm
To Kali,
You've certainly picked an appropriate "handle".
What's got you so all fired up? Do you hate dogs? Do you feel unappreciated as a firefighter? Are you venting for all firefighters or for something happening in your life/career?
Personally, I come to this website to feel good about and close to firefighters rather than to complain about what's wrong in the industry or with the public. "Don't bring me problems - bring me solutions," is a very old saying my father taught me as a child. I like this site because the individuals who share here are sharing solutions/ideas rather than just venting.
If the public has negative opinions of firefighters in your neck of the woods do you have any thoughts/ideas/plans for helping to change that situation?
Unreal, guys... but gee. Couldn't they have tied onto the bumper of the truck to help pull those guys out? Couldn't see any Fire service vehicle, or if it had a winch.... they would HAVE to, wouldn't they? God... if it was a brush truck, unroll the hose reel and let him hold onto THAT pull back in...
If not -instead of the one FF pulling on the rope ? They could have eased him out with the rope puller / retrieval FF telling the truck driver forward easy forward easy or stop....with the line tied off center bumper ... but LOOK at it? ONE FF to pull out TWO potential FF, AND an 80 lb dog? What was going on here?
I've been surfing for ...over 20 years and there reaches a point in below 59 degree water you're so cold...westuit booties and gloves or not... when you're taking a beating, there reaches point your arms just don't work anymore... body starts shutting down exterior limbs, keeping blood to organs, the system is reacting to extreme cold... it starts shuttin' down the lights... better have just as much respect for cold as you do for heat
They were falling through a 3" inch rime of ice ... slogging it hard. Swim, slog, climb...in what? 38 degree water? watch the two FF slow down on the way out... BIg body movements, shoulder, shoulder, leg, leg..slowing down...slowing down. Let's see you do that, 200 yards out, then then tow an 80 lb animal, you're "dry" suit, full of water, and your own worn-out ass...back to the ledge.
IF #1 went down, and #2 grabbed him.... they could barely get #1 back, with dog..... a lot went wrong here, FF #1 pulled it off. That could well have been a sad story. That's a tough strong guy.... he shouldn't have been exerting AT ALL coming back... they should have been pulling him in. What a joke. No secondary FF to pull #2 back in? Lake faeries will handle it? A little pull/inflate device under the 80 lb dog would have been a good thing, too... This guy should get the iron-man, no-back-up award of the year... oh, well, somebody patted him on the shoulder when he was on all fours on the bank...
Not being a bitch, but God.. use the tools and manpower at hand, don't stand there and watch one person do it all, and wait for it to all go wrong before everyone jumps in and helps... I guess if you've never had to deal with extremely cold water... you don't know how fast your body quits responding to commands... a super-thermal suit helps, but it's no guarantee... and cold water is getting in, and cold water, ice and slush are heavier... denser... than warm water...It's hell. If you don't know what an ice-cream headache is...don't bother to respond. Please. Getting in... no choice , it is what it is, w/o a hovercraft.....
But he HAD a lifeline, they could have pulled him out w/ several people, or using the truck the dog's owners had, idling right there...
I'm sorry, I just get sick of 8 people standing around watching 1-2 guys do all the work... jump in... get in, get out, quit messin about yo HO yo ho yo ho.... watch the video again...watch FF1... they stuck him in the PIT, boy. Let him pull that barge solo. Watch how many times he has to stop and recover.... no back-up. Unnecessary. Oh. Until he hits foot-depth. Allow me to repeat...unnecessary. They could have eased them in, quick.
Huh. Look at Einstein dog-owner. Yanks collar of dog from FF, yanks dog along bank... dog's legs are shut down...he can't feel his feet, much less move his legs... a$$#^!! owner, continues to yank him, notices looks on people's FACES, THEN scoops up dog, throws him in the truck, hauls butt, no regard for FF.
Technically...not much better treatment for FF 1.
Sorry guys. Take care of your team, or don't play. That FF saved the dog, and he had 2 faint back-ups.... really impressed w/ FF1, how tough the woofie was.... the rest...ehhnnn... not so much. Yeah, I'm gonna catch flak for this, I don't care. Tired of seeing people not solve problems or provide back-up for the personnel or at least TRY. IC didn't know how critical this was to his FF, unused to dealing with something outside Fire... I don't know. FF1 knew at least 6 people were up there... no one helping pull the lines in. No one utilizing resources like a winch, the dog's owner's truck, or several more people... the FF3 in charge of the rope...couldn't concentrate on feeding it out, or reeling FF1 and dog back in ...what was up with that...IC..winch/bumper/additional personnel
No one went down and secured FF 1, helped get him to the truck, suit off, warm fluids, warm dry clothes on him, blankets, treat for shock...they just...let him.. crawl up the bank, and knotch his heart-rate down. Tell you what. just for giggles. Go jump in the pool at 53 degrees and swim 10 laps. No wetsuit, no thermals, no booties, no gloves, no shrouds, just a bathing suit... I will personally kiss your ass.
Sorry to be a jerk.. I just see a brotha I would have assisted and released half the stress to if I was on-scene .. I would have have dragged his ass out of there as gently and as surely as I possibly could have...and I would expect the same thought process, rescue dynamic going on for me, if I had to ice-slog for the next rescue....
If somone's at risk, I'll go in.... but if it all goes wrong / or RIGHT....yank MY ASS out... half the time, when I pull up people are surprised. Oh. Where'd YOU come from? HELL. Which is where YOU'RE going
Permalink Reply by Tony on February 8, 2009 at 2:51pm
Sure these guys did lot's wrong, Shoulda, coulda, woulda, not all departments are well trained unfortunately. You can over analyze this to death, in the end, they got the job done.
Patricia,
What I just read is all I know of you, but if it's any indication of what type of person you are I have a few things to say. First, very well thought out and stated, there are a few people I hope to have you meet. Second, if you are new to the nation, prepare for a disappointment. There are many here that just want to pontificate without the benefit of experience. Lastly, I will look forward to reading more of your work.
Maybe I'm a softie, but to me this video is a prime example of who we are as an industry. The exhaustion of the rescuers was readily visible, and the fact that they went out there for a dog is heroic. The safety types might say that the life of a dog is not worth risking two or even three firefighters, but they clearly felt the risk was worthwhile. I am sure the dog's owners would agree.