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Lorenzo Ladder? Test question need help answering
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Permalink Reply by Loyd Dittfurth on
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Permalink Reply by Brian Dumser on
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Great info Loyd, I'd never heard of that before.
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i didnt either still really dont know what it is or if it is still in any way in use but it looks cool
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Permalink Reply by Jay Nicholson on
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From 911 Studies.
I must add that the Chief had also told me that they (FDNY) had a device known as a 'Lorenzo's Ladder' on their trucks – which was designed to permit firefighters to get around individual floors which were engulfed in flame. He didn't go into any detail though – so I contacted some FDNY firefighters who lived locally.
When I asked what this 'ladder' was I was told none of the firefighters had ever used it and no-one ever would. This 'ladder' would be placed out a window on a floor immediately below the floor ablaze and anchored with guy wires (to what – they wouldn't say).
A firefighter would then climb out the window and place another ladder at the end of the first. The second ladder would then be directed back towards the building and a window on the floor immediately above the floor ablaze.
Think of two ladders mounted outside a building – forming a triangle with the outer wall serving as the third leg. The firefighters said imagine doing that some 50 floors above the street and I'd understand why no one had ever (or WILL ever) use it.
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holy crap i dont think i would do it
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Permalink Reply by Rusty Mancini on
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Be my guest ! Not me bro.
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Permalink Reply by John B. Smith, Jr. on
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Pete Lorenzo (retied FDNY) lives near one of our stations. We were training at a nearby fire academy one day and Pete set up his ladder for us to try. Example - the ladder stuck out the secod floor window and extended so it stuck out and up a little past the third floor window sill. The idea was for a person to go up the ladder and help people form the third floor on to the ladder so they could climb down and in the lower window. We used it on floors two and three but, it could be used between floors 52 and 53 (or whatever) just the same.
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Permalink Reply by Tom Williams on
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Jimmy,
I found this definition of a Lorenzo Ladder in the Fire Officer's Handbook of Tactics by John Norman.
Lorenzo Ladder is a readily improvised master stream. It consists of a standard ladder pipe fitted onto a 16' extension ladder. The ladder is placed into position out of a window of the floor below the fire floor, using 2 sets of cables to secure it in place.
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Permalink Reply by captnjak on
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James M. McHale said:Our midtown Manhattan Company, Engine 21, was one of first wave of outfits issued a LL in the mid '80's. We drilled quite a bit on it--both in quarter's, & at FDNY's Randall's Island Training Academy.
However, despite our confidence in it, we were never called upon to employ it's use during the interval within which it was part of our equipment repertoire.
Jimmy McHale
FDNY, '81-'01
FF Emeritus
I worked with Pete Lorenzo in the 80's. Our engine was obviously also a Lorenzo ladder company and it was also never used to my knowledge aside from drills. It could be used for water application or rescue. It was not designed to bypass a floor of fire but to possibly rescue trapped occupants by using the ladder from the floor immediately below the fire.
Pete was an innovative guy. He had ideas no one else though about. He suggested applying water through peepholes in doors of fireproof multiple dwellings by using a smaller tip. Less water was better than no water in his opinion. This would be for fires in which opening the apartment door would cause extreme heat conditions in the public hall (too hot even for handline) should the wind be blowing in. The type of fire that traditionally was "waited out", meaning we got in there when the fuel load had been decreased by burn time. Nowadays there is all kind of discussion and tactical changes concerning wind driven fires and alternate means of water application in these buildings. Pete was at least 20 years ahead of his time.
Jimmy, when did you leave 21 engine?
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Worked in E-23 and also briefly in E-21 after you left.
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