What are your views regarding the cost of OSHA enforcement, compared to the actual benefit in reduced worker injury/illness/death? - My Firefighter Nation2024-03-29T14:43:51Zhttps://my.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/what-are-your-views-regarding?commentId=889755%3AComment%3A4835413&feed=yes&xn_auth=nowhen you crunch the numbers l…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-21:889755:Comment:48443302010-09-21T00:01:22.627ZJonathanhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/jlogue
when you crunch the numbers like that Mathew who could honestly say that money is a waste?!
when you crunch the numbers like that Mathew who could honestly say that money is a waste?! I've never seen corrupt OSHA…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-20:889755:Comment:48442892010-09-20T23:51:41.528ZBen Wallerhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/BenWaller
I've never seen corrupt OSHA investigators or even heard about one being accused of being less than honest.<br />
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I've seen some that we had to educate about the realities of what they were enforcing, but most of them were interested in learning as long as things were approached positively and while demonstrating that the department was in compliance, even if that compliance was done differently than what the investigators were previously used to.
I've never seen corrupt OSHA investigators or even heard about one being accused of being less than honest.<br />
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I've seen some that we had to educate about the realities of what they were enforcing, but most of them were interested in learning as long as things were approached positively and while demonstrating that the department was in compliance, even if that compliance was done differently than what the investigators were previously used to. true, but in theory complianc…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-20:889755:Comment:48429462010-09-20T02:18:52.103ZVic Silverfishhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/VicSilverfish
true, but in theory compliance will improve and they will collect less in fines as employers realise it is cheaper to run a safe shop. That's the theory, anyways. If you are in a corrupt system, good luck.
true, but in theory compliance will improve and they will collect less in fines as employers realise it is cheaper to run a safe shop. That's the theory, anyways. If you are in a corrupt system, good luck. i have a job where osha, the…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-20:889755:Comment:48428862010-09-20T01:35:28.523ZKevin Teelhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/KevinTeel
i have a job where osha, the epa and the dot regulate. and if it wasn't for them making sure that those rules are followed, i would've been in the hospital 5 or 6 times in a 5 year period
i have a job where osha, the epa and the dot regulate. and if it wasn't for them making sure that those rules are followed, i would've been in the hospital 5 or 6 times in a 5 year period Collecting fines is law enfor…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-15:889755:Comment:48354142010-09-15T01:08:25.995ZBen Wallerhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/BenWaller
Collecting fines is law enforcement, not accepting a bribe.<br />
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It has nothing to do with being anti-government or pro-government, because it's the government collecting the fines.
Collecting fines is law enforcement, not accepting a bribe.<br />
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It has nothing to do with being anti-government or pro-government, because it's the government collecting the fines. The more fines OSHA collects,…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-15:889755:Comment:48354132010-09-15T01:07:29.184ZBen Wallerhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/BenWaller
The more fines OSHA collects, the more inspectors they can hire, the more violations they can find and cite, the more fines they collect, the more inspectors they can hire...
The more fines OSHA collects, the more inspectors they can hire, the more violations they can find and cite, the more fines they collect, the more inspectors they can hire... $513M / number of employed fo…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-14:889755:Comment:48341382010-09-14T13:21:55.184ZMatthew Powershttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/MatthewPowers
$513M / number of employed fokes = $3-4 per worker. Thanks OSHA!
$513M / number of employed fokes = $3-4 per worker. Thanks OSHA! Government is not a "for prof…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-14:889755:Comment:48339982010-09-14T12:22:50.222ZVic Silverfishhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/VicSilverfish
Government is not a "for profit" industry. If it was, we would not be running at a deficit. If someone is taking bribes, that is clearly against the rules and is not the intent of the law.<br />
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You would be well served to give the paranoia and fear of "big government" a bit of a re-think. You should always be sceptical (of course), but the current level of anti-government paranoia in America is counter productive, and plays right into the hands of the very wealthy and very powerful. these rules are…
Government is not a "for profit" industry. If it was, we would not be running at a deficit. If someone is taking bribes, that is clearly against the rules and is not the intent of the law.<br />
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You would be well served to give the paranoia and fear of "big government" a bit of a re-think. You should always be sceptical (of course), but the current level of anti-government paranoia in America is counter productive, and plays right into the hands of the very wealthy and very powerful. these rules are in place to protect you and force your employer to accept the risks he is exposing his employees to. I wasn't aware of that Ben, I…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-14:889755:Comment:48339782010-09-14T12:05:42.761ZJonathanhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/jlogue
I wasn't aware of that Ben, I was somewhat curious where those fees went. I know OSHA isn't a for-profit organization, however any government entity seems to make a profit for someone somewhere, either off the books or under the table.
I wasn't aware of that Ben, I was somewhat curious where those fees went. I know OSHA isn't a for-profit organization, however any government entity seems to make a profit for someone somewhere, either off the books or under the table. It depends upon how you keep…tag:my.firefighternation.com,2010-09-13:889755:Comment:48333442010-09-13T23:25:09.013ZBen Wallerhttps://my.firefighternation.com/profile/BenWaller
It depends upon how you keep score. If you keep score in human lives, then OSHA enforcement wins, hands down. If you keep score in money, OSHA still wins. The cost of reasonable prevention in hazmat, confined spaces, respiratory protection, bloodborne pathogens, hazard communication, etc. is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of funerals, hospital stays, medical retirement benefits, litigation, federal LODD benefits, and ruining the financial future of the dead workers' families.<br />
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It depends upon how you keep score. If you keep score in human lives, then OSHA enforcement wins, hands down. If you keep score in money, OSHA still wins. The cost of reasonable prevention in hazmat, confined spaces, respiratory protection, bloodborne pathogens, hazard communication, etc. is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of funerals, hospital stays, medical retirement benefits, litigation, federal LODD benefits, and ruining the financial future of the dead workers' families.<br />
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A couple of things you migh tnot know...<br />
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1) If your state isn't an OSHA state, that doesn't mean that your state is immune from OSHA standards, it just means that you don't have a state agency to administrate enforcement for OSHA so the fed OSHA folks regulate you directly.<br />
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2) Some of OSHA's funding comes from fines and settlements. OSHA isn't 100% taxpayer funded.<br />
Some mileage may vary, depending upon where you live and how stringent the regulators are there.