I am looking for a good source for advancing a line to the 3rd floor of an apartment building. I work in a Dallas suburb where we have many 3 floor apartments. I need to develop training that addresses the issue of efficiently advancing lines to a 3rd floor.


Any help would be appreciated. I have surfed a few online fire sites but havent found exactly what I am looking for.

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I'm not sure what you are looking for, but how is this different from advancing to the second floor? Make sure you have enough hose (I'd consider using the 400' unless I was really close to the front door) flake it up the stairs, zig-zag it on the top landing, and go get some!

I guess the only really different bit is you can't flake it up the stairs, so you need to have a bloke on the landing feeding you hose. Since I was always the bar-man, that usually was me.

I've got a million drill ideas. Drop me a message and we can talk.
All of our engines have aerials and for the most part are capable of extending a waterway to the 3rd floor landing. With a change in configuration the waterway can be used as a standpipe. Our preconnects are 200'. We also have the option of using 3" with a gated wye on the end and extending handlines from it.

I'm wondering what the best option is, aerial waterway vs. preconnect vs 3". So I'm looking for opinions and/or training material that specifically addresses this issue.

Certainly the third floor is not much different from the second floor from the perspective of advancing lines but at some point the difference in distance/elevation does make a difference, for example stretching a line to the distant Charlie side of an apartment building, or roof for that matter.
I'd really like to hear the rest of the gang weigh in on this.

Personally: I'm a huge fan of the pre-connect, less junk to break/coordinate/go wrong. At 200' you might come up short. Flying standpipes and running out 3" with a gated wye should of course be practised. I've seen them done very quickly on the fireground. Hell, get the crews together and run a few iterations each way, see what works!
My plan exactly!

Thanks for replying
There are several options which can be used. Most likely we would pull our lead line (2 1/2 wyed to 100' of 1 3/4) to the second floor. Flake out the 1 3/4 and use that for attack. The second FF from the pump takes a high rise pack up to connect to the wye for a backup line. In some places a 200' preconnect will work without a problem.

We did preplan on a large 3 story eldery/disabled complex (wood frame, no sprinklers/standpipe) using a portable hydrant/manifold so several 2 1/2's can be attached if need be. We can also utilize the truck as a standpipe, but chances are the crew would be doing rescue and the rig wouldn't be available for such operation for some time.
How about a rope bag..throw it from the window on the 2nd floor landing, fig. 8 on a bite and hoist up the face of the building. You can do the same in the stairwell if it's an open one. Gound ladders and aerials are options too. our pre-connects are 200' also and we go up the face or in the open stairwell.
Not a big fan of tying my tower to the side of a building with a hose line. We have the capability of doing so, but certainly don't make a habit of it.

We would probably take our 400' precon. (200' of 2 1/2 finished off with 200 of 2")
If that didn't cut it we could make up a stretch off the bed using whatever 3" we needed, followed by a gated wye and some 2".
Lots of variables. do you have protected stairwell standpipes? Can you do a drop down? Is it an open stair well that you can pull an extended pre connect up the middle saving a lot of the length of hose and use the rest to go in?

We have a few buildings where we have to to an extended pre connect. We pull our 2 1/2 and connect our apartment bundle ( 1 3/4 with a wye on it) before we enter the fire floor so we can have a full 150' on the floor.
My thought is flying standpipe to 2nd floor and then use 1 3/4 or your standard line to the 3rd floor. The pump pressure requirement to get water through 400' of 1 3/4 and up 3 floors would make it hard to manuever.
Is the fire only on the third floor?

Too many variables for a single answer but if this is a private wood frame non protected (called a triple decker) around here, dependant on the set backs, parked cars, etc. 300- even 400' might not be enough.

We have stretched the 200' blitz line dry to the second floor landing, taken off the pipe and the other firefighter who carried up the 100' 1.75" pack in "the bundle" configuration added on with a gated wye and 100 or 150' feet of attack hose. Next engine in has the option to come up with the hose pack and add on.

On other occassions, we have sent the company in with a hose pack and dropped the butt out the second floor window or deck, to the engineer below for make up. Then advanced up to the fire floor. This is a much shorter route and I will call for it when we have the larger set-back issues. You can even lower a rope and haul up a line, either way.

For most on here..... who have argued to they are blue in the face about entering with a charged hose line, well sorry not to the third or fourth floor, unless you have 10-12 personnel to advance a single line.
Blitz line being a 2.5" line
Well, it depends if you are talking about Garden Style apartments, open stairwells, etc...We have one neighborhood that has two large apartment complexes with nothing but 3-5 floor garden style apartments and we go there for fires on a regular enough basis that one would expect us to be pretty solid with our tactics. The truth of the matter is that your tactics will probably be determined by your building construction and manpower.

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