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Hose Back Up Postions
The Back Up Position is the key for Hose operations , remember the Back up person postion is diffferent and changes completely during operations.
Critical Safety Points :
Water Hammer
Nozzle reaction Control
Some Key Points;
The Back up person should be on the same side of the line as the Nozzleman
Support , Do nOt push the nozzle away from the Nozzleman
Try to take nozzle reaction or flow pressure off the Nozzleman.
Remember Train Hard and Like you mean it
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Permalink Reply by Derek R. on -
Right on Chief. Was beginning to think that sharing valuable information was a thing of the past.
If I'm the back-up guy, I try to make it seem like there is no hose attached to the nozzle. Makes thing easier for the nozzleman. This is the way we were taught anyways. Some do, some don't though.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Weber on
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I always try to leave at least a arms lenth between the nozzleman and backup man.Lets the nozzleman manuver a little without being crowded.At the same time the back up man needs to take up the back pressure so the nozzleman can operate and not kill themselves,especially on lines bigger than 1 3/4".Good topic.
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Permalink Reply by capcityff on -
That's one reason why I love having 1 1/2" instead of 1 3/4" hose lines. You don't really need a back up man. You can do the whole job yourself while your crew stays behind to hump hose or make a rescue.
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Permalink Reply by Mike France on
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Well , Just wanted to shake things up a little here
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One of things i've noticed in training today is the lack of teaching teamwork and in working hoselines you need team work. Advancing a hoseline is diffcult enought but with a partner it's easier .
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Permalink Reply by Reg Mathis on -
In addition to making the job of the nozzleman easier, the #2 guy is, literally, watching the nozzleman's back. Some of us tend to get tunnel vision when on the nozzle. A good #2 will help keep you out of trouble!
TCSS
Reg
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on -
We have a completely different perspective on this in my department, due to our use of low-pressure (50 PSI) combination/break apart tips. Ours are the Akron Assault models, and they flow at 50 PSI regardless of the pattern. The fog tip flows anything from a wide fog pattern to a straight stream. The fog tip screws off to give us a 15/16" smoothbore on the 1-3/4 lines and a 1-1/8" smoothbore on the 2-1/2s.
It really simplifies things for the pump operator, and it takes a lot of strain off of the engine and pump.
It makes things easier on the nozzleman, who flows 150 to 185 GPM with the 1-3/4 line and who has almost double the knockdown volume of our previous 100 PSI fog nozzles.
We still use a backup firefighter, but instead of positioning immediately behind the nozzleman to absorb nozzle reaction and help maneuver the line from the tip, our backups position anywhere from 5 feet to 50 feet behind the nozzleman, depending on the situation. The low pressure lines are a little more vulnerable to kinking, especially in stairwells, so the backup firefighter ensures a smooth, kink-free layout, then stays a ways behind the nozzleman to maneuver the line around corners and obstacles like furniture.
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Permalink Reply by capcityff on
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That's kind of how we operate. Our layout man(your backup) stays further back to take care of kinks and humping hose. We operate at 100psi but have 1 1/2" hose and the lineman should be able to handle it on his own.
See, we don't disagree on EVERYTHING.
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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capcity,
I never thought for a minute that we did disagree on everything.
We just like the extra GPMs from the larger line with essentially the same amount of time and effort.
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Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on -
We usually place a forearm or a hand on the nozzleman's back or bottle to support him and to let him know we're there for him. We run around 125 psi on 1 3/4. Thanks for the tickler, Chief.
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Permalink Reply by John Dobson on -
I love are CAFS, hose is easy to move the reaction is not bad at all. But if you let it set without opening it bleed it off slowly. It might just pick your butt up off the ground and soap the lady firefighter up good across from you. Sorry Emily
The air separates and builds at the nozzle end with ALOT of pressure.
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Well onething i do know is that we recently purchased the Blitzfire moniter , The nice thing is that when you are short on manpower it can be set up and left byself .
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